Freda Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Wasn't that going to be ' out ' today? Am I a little premature being nervous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Freda said: Wasn't that going to be ' out ' today? Am I a little premature being nervous? Apparently it has been delayed until tomorrow, possibly even next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It was just the July one today and the first 4 months of the new season tomorrow. July is probably moot given the announced level 3 restrictions anyway I'd say. Even if they come up with some way of opening traing centres safely with contactless operation, it will only be able to be for low risk activities, so as previously no fast work jumpouts or anything till we get to level 2 which might be 4 to 6 weeks or more away. That's my read anyway. Anyone have a different take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Kenny Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) and yet some of our number have carried on training throughout, no social distancing, no keeping in bubbles, transporting new horses - putting our return to racing at risk and no one in authority even wants to know. Thinks he will get a head start on the other trainers. Makes me so angry when the rest of us are doing the right thing Edited April 16, 2020 by Mustang Kenny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, Rusty said: Apparently it has been delayed until tomorrow, possibly even next week. I see. You'd think there might have been some communication? It's the possible absence of funds to do the ' funding' that is making me nervous. And yes, I take Curious' point about safe level training under level 3. Do-able, but the operating practices of many that I watched in the last few days made me cringe. Yes, too, to Mustang Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Freda said: I see. You'd think there might have been some communication? It's the possible absence of funds to do the ' funding' that is making me nervous. And yes, I take Curious' point about safe level training under level 3. Do-able, but the operating practices of many that I watched in the last few days made me cringe. Yes, too, to Mustang Kenny. Surely they will let everyone know if there's been a change of plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mustang Kenny said: and yet some of our number have carried on training throughout, no social distancing, no keeping in bubbles, transporting new horses - putting our return to racing at risk and no one in authority even wants to know. Thinks he will get a head start on the other trainers. Makes me so angry when the rest of us are doing the right thing If true, that's atrocious behaviour and a very bad look for the industry. Someone should call the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Why the hell can't they replicate what Australia has done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Kenny Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Why the hell can't they replicate what Australia has done? Ask Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Why the hell can't they replicate what Australia has done? I see R.V staff are now to leg on the jockeys, trainers not allowed im birdcages to reduce contacts. I can just see Millsy and Jim legging on the riders.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Freda said: I see R.V staff are now to leg on the jockeys, trainers not allowed im birdcages to reduce contacts. I can just see Millsy and Jim legging on the riders.... hahaha .... are the horses also leading themselves around? And if one of the RV staff has the virus it sounds like a good way to quickly infect the entire jockey population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, curious said: Surely they will let everyone know if there's been a change of plans? I guess we just have to stay sitting here in the dark a while longer.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, Mustang Kenny said: Ask Winston Winnie can't come to the phone right now..he's fishing.. Hang On!! he's not fishing, he's 'floundering'? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Freda said: Wasn't that going to be ' out ' today? Am I a little premature being nervous? Don't be nervous, by that I mean don't expect much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I have seen the calendar. Gallops will resume once the sythetic tracks are ready to go so it harness racing 6 days a week until then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Huey said: Don't be nervous, by that I mean don't expect much. Jeez, I've learnt not to do that. I wondered from the start what was the point of putting out draft dates for July, and then for the first four months when there was no surety when/if levels would change, and also, without confirmation of adequate funding. Just meaningless stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkie Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Mustang Kenny said: and yet some of our number have carried on training throughout, no social distancing, no keeping in bubbles, transporting new horses - putting our return to racing at risk and no one in authority even wants to know. Thinks he will get a head start on the other trainers. Makes me so angry when the rest of us are doing the right thing Come on Kenny, name the some that are in that Bubble!!. I have no problem with safe training and looking after horses and the well being of all involved , but if some arseholes are using this time to get an advantage I would Querie that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, mardigras said: My evidence is from having lived in Australia for a long time and the information I get from my children that still live there - anecdotal. The same evidence you are relying on for your view on the racing industry. My evidence regarding the racing industry is not anecdotal. It arises from plain observation and factual information. Thoroughbred race meetings in Australia tomorrow: 15. 12 TAB, 3 non-TAB. NZ - Zero. Betting turnover in Queensland in the first two weeks of the lockdown was up 21% on last year. Looks like they are doing better than us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, mardigras said: And what you write is anecdotal in regards the state of the industry. Excuse me what have I quoted that is anecdotal? 6 minutes ago, mardigras said: But how about the contra. NZ TAB takes betting on all those same events. Higher turnover from NZ (nothing else to bet on). More revenue for NZ TAB. No outgoings on stakes. Better situation. Better industry in the future. You're taking the piss now Mardigras. You know that our margins on OZ events are less than NZ ones. No outgoing's on stakes means no returns to those that do the work. What makes it worse is we still have large loans to service and still no sign of significant job cuts at RITA, NZTR, HRNZ, RIU etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Excuse me what have I quoted that is anecdotal? It's anecdotal because it is information that doe not relate to the actual state of the industry. You are inferring it does. Anecdotal doesn't mean the statements in themselves are not true. But the inference certainly may not be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You're taking the piss now Mardigras. You know that our margins on OZ events are less than NZ ones. No outgoing's on stakes means no returns to those that do the work. What makes it worse is we still have large loans to service and still no sign of significant job cuts at RITA, NZTR, HRNZ, RIU etc etc. Not taking the piss at all. What I wrote was equally anecdotal. It is factual that the difference between the betting revenue from the TAB less the stakes paid out by way of the TAB will have a greater differential for this period than before the shut down. As for the issue of no returns, I think that is where the wage subsidy comes in, as it does for other industries unable to work. So if you compare racing with a restaurant. Racing is still earning revenues from elsewhere, without all the usual costs. And the participants are eligible for a wage subsidy. A restaurant is not earning revenues from elsewhere, without all the usual costs. And the participants are eligible for a wage subsidy. Who is better off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, mardigras said: Racing is still earning revenues from elsewhere, without all the usual costs. And the participants are eligible for a wage subsidy. We assume it is earning revenues from elsewhere. We know it ISN'T earning revenue from Pokies and Sports (assuming there is a National Table Tennis Association in NZ). As for earning revenue from OZ - well we know that there are fees associated with that and we also know that we don't know how our bookies are doing. We do know that they do worse than the tote. We do know that our punters are not racing to bet on those obscure american races - e.g. R4 from Remington Win pool $141, Quinella pool $118, Trifecta Pool $185. Do we pay fees for those races? Mind you you would expect reduced pools and fees because they are Quarter Horses. Aside from the wage subsidy we know that the cost structure for the revenue earning arm of the industry has not significantly changed. We also know that NZTR, HRNZ and GRNZ are supposedly still being paid by RITA and they haven't reduced their cost structure either. We also know that they are not receiving any income from licensees - e.g. no nomination or acceptance fees etc. It is a given that each of the industry funded organisations needed to slash costs BEFORE Covid-19 turned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: We assume it is earning revenues from elsewhere. We assume the Australian industry is earning revenues from their racing. if it isn't, by continuing to race they will be bleeding money big time. And I am not saying you're right or wrong on any of this. I'm saying, whether we are racing or not, and whether they are - doesn't mean they are doing better or we are doing worse. It's simply conjecture. I don't disagree with your other points. But they are hardly a lock down issue. Edited April 17, 2020 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, mardigras said: We assume the Australian industry is earning revenues from their racing. if it isn't, by continuing to race they will be bleeding money big time. They are but it varies by State. For example the Queensland TAB has a different setup to Victoria. From what I understand is that the Queensland TAB sole source of income is race wagering. Whereas TABCORP earns their revenue from Gaming (Tatts, Lotto etc), Pokies and Racing. I don't know if Vic Racing gets revenue from Gaming and Pokies. Queensland Racing has slashed stakes and overheads but its revenue is up more than 20%. The only game in town at the moment. My biggest point is that with some strong leadership we could still be racing in NZ or at the very least training in preparation for racing resuming. In some ways I admire the trainer(s) who is trying to work around the system as it is. If I had my own training track I'd still be educating the young horses and getting them ready for racing. Yes I would be fast working. Hong Kong is still going to be in the market for ready to go horses. Yes when we had the referendum I voted for prohibition. I saw it as a great opportunity! Mardigras - we both have opinions and I enjoy arguing the point with you. That's what BOAY is about - robust debate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Draft calendar is out for May, June & July. Main points for thoroughbreds: Aim to resume racing on 3 July Amended draft calendar has 13 meetings at six venues Pre COVID-19 calendar had 20 meetings at 17 venues in the same period Racing restricted to four regions (Northern, Central, Canterbury, Southland) with travel of participants restricted to their regions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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