holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: We are ALL financially inequal. did you miss my earlier post about our 'luck' discussion or was the only thing you learn'?♀️t at Lincoln a ...sidestep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 So there is no link between "luck" and "inequality"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Lets assume you are 'successful'.Not sure how you define..success,but do you attribute yours to..intelligence,hard work,luck or a combination of factors? Am especially interested in this and what..exactly it means...' not everyone is equipped with the ability to be successful financially'. Hard work, taking opportunities and knowledge! Many are happy just to work for someone and not be an employer and that is why the employees are going to see things differently when they find out in the next few months that this decision to prolong the lockdown, has cost them their livelihood. Many people just don’t take any risks whatsoever to improve their financial situation and I would be prepared to say that those that believe that lockdown extension is Correct. Is exactly these people. Put yourself in the business owners position that will in the next few months be laying their staff off due to the economic conditions? Most business owners have put a lot of effort in to build their business and now it has been decimated due to other people’s decisions, that is what concerns me! What about the people that will commit suicide after not being able to provide for their families, at the expense of what? 21 elderly patients of rest homes with dementia, whereas there has been 700 people or 100 people per day die of other issues????? Socialists do not give a rats because they generally rely on others providing for them and not thru their own efforts, it is their philosophy! There is so called financial inequality in every country in the world and long may it continue or we have Communism! Edited May 10, 2020 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So there is no link between "luck" and "inequality"? most certainly is. Do you want to ..phone a friend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brodie said: Hard work, taking opportunities and knowledge! Many are happy just to work for someone and not be an employer and that is why the employees are going to see things differently when they find out in the next few months that this decision to prolong the lockdown, has cost them their livelihood. Many people just don’t take any risks whatsoever to improve their financial situation and I would be prepared to say that those that believe that lockdown extension is Correct. Is exactly these people. Put yourself in the business owners position that will in the next few months be laying their staff off due to the economic conditions? Most business owners have put a lot of effort in to build their business and now it has been decimated due to other people’s decisions, that is what concerns me! What about the people that will commit suicide after not being able to provide for their families, at the expense of what? 21 elderly patients of rest homes with dementia, whereas there has been 700 people or 100 people per day die of other issues????? Socialists do not give a rats because they generally rely on others providing for them and not thru their own efforts, it is their philosophy! There is so called financial inequality in every country in the world and long may it continue or we have Communism! Capitalism requires Capital...where did you get yours? You may think the economy is more important than saving lives..alot of people with a venal disposition do. Virtually the whole world is in lockdown under many different types of Govt. Communist China has inequality too. Inequality has exploded since the adoption of flawed neo liberalism from the 80's onwards. Name a Capitalist country where the private sector does not rely on Govt money. I do not think you understand what/how Capitalism works..or what Socialism is for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: most certainly is. Do you want to ..phone a friend? you could phone the add just above the chiefs last post holy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: Do you think financial inequality is an ideology ? Does freedom and democracy rely on financial inequality? Do you believe in risk and reward and merit? Financial inequality is not an ideology of Socialists or Communism, it is a certainty in any democracy as not everyone is as well equipped to be successful, just the way it is! Freedom? We have not got freedom whatsoever at the moment with a dictator at the helm. You haven’t got freedom under a dictatorship and communist or socialist type govt. The Socialist govt. continually meddle in your business which is what this coalition govt. does! I believe in allowing people to make choices and if their choice is legal and it makes them a profit then good on them. Personally I have made many decisions that have worked for us and gives me a lifestyle that I enjoy, but unfortunately due to the govt. locking us all up then that has changed. Fortunately for us we will not be financially disadvantaged, however we will be some of the very few and in a couple of months Holy Crap, come back on here and give us your opinion of what this over reaction has had on people you know and yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Capitalism requires Capital...where did you get yours? You may think the economy is more important than saving lives..alot of people with a venal disposition do. Virtually the whole world is in lockdown under many different types of Govt. Communist China has inequality too. Inequality has exploded since the adoption of flawed neo liberalism from the 80's onwards. Name a Capitalist country where the private sector does not rely on Govt money. I do not think you understand what/how Capitalism works..or what Socialism is for that matter. Why is it relevant where I got capital from? All legal and from work and taking opportunities that I looked at! I have never ever had any unemployment benefit for the record! Far more people are going to die in NZ because of the actions rather than the virus itself. There has not been one death from the effects of the virus to anyone in NZ that has had reasonable health however already there have been deaths caused by the lockdown!!! Of course there is inequality in China as the communist leaders are the ones that want the peasants to be equally poor so they can control them. Personally don’t want to go into Capitalism, neo liberalism or any other given name. What I don’t want in this country is a dictatorship from someone who knows one thing and that is not hard to see! What I have realised over recent weeks is just how many people there are that want to be led! What is your comment In regards to Arderns rant at the international Socialist youth gathering where she was Comrade this Co race that, very very dangerous! Edited May 10, 2020 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: Financial inequality is not an ideology of Socialists or Communism, it is a certainty in any democracy as not everyone is as well equipped to be successful, just the way it is! Freedom? We have not got freedom whatsoever at the moment with a dictator at the helm. You haven’t got freedom under a dictatorship and communist or socialist type govt. The Socialist govt. continually meddle in your business which is what this coalition govt. does! I believe in allowing people to make choices and if their choice is legal and it makes them a profit then good on them. Personally I have made many decisions that have worked for us and gives me a lifestyle that I enjoy, but unfortunately due to the govt. locking us all up then that has changed. Fortunately for us we will not be financially disadvantaged, however we will be some of the very few and in a couple of months Holy Crap, come back on here and give us your opinion of what this over reaction has had on people you know and yourself! You should be told...Simon Bridges ,National Party leader,supported the Govts lockdown policy 100%. All your protestations are predicated on your own selfish interests.This is very common for right wingers...'I'm o.k Jack is their catch cry. As you will not be financially disadvantaged you can take solace that you are ...still alive. There is no free market,no pure Capitalist country anywhere in the world. You have a religious type belief in something that you don't even ..understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: most certainly is. Do you want to ..phone a friend? So if no political system gives us equal luck then what's so great about the one you espouse? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Why is it relevant where I got capital from? All legal and from work and taking opportunities that I looked at! I have never ever had any unemployment benefit for the record! Far more people are going to die in NZ because of the actions rather than the virus itself. There has not been one death from the effects of the virus to anyone in NZ that has had reasonable health however already there have been deaths caused by the lockdown!!! Of course there is inequality in China as the communist leaders are the ones that want the peasants to be equally poor so they can control them. Personally don’t want to go into Capitalism, neo liberalism or any other given name. What I don’t want in this country is a dictatorship from someone who knows ome thi g and that is not hard to see! What is your comment In regards to Arderns rant at the international Socialist youth gathering where she was Comrade this Co race that, very very dangerous! 'Why is it relevant where I got capital from? -its highly likely you inherited it...lucky sperm. Arderns youthful idealism is totally irrelevant. Earlier in this thread MG pointed out that Sweden had no lockdown and 36,000 unemployed in one month. The world has been heading towards a deep depression ever since the GFC and the ludicrous expansion of the monetary supply and the non productive sector of GDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: You should be told...Simon Bridges ,National Party leader,supported the Govts lockdown policy 100%. All your protestations are predicated on your own selfish interests.This is very common for right wingers...'I'm o.k Jack is their catch cry. As you will not be financially disadvantaged you can take solace that you are ...still alive. There is no free market,no pure Capitalist country anywhere in the world. You have a religious type belief in something that you don't even ..understand. Where did I say that we didn’t need to lock down? The govt. was very slow in doing anything, National suggested action back I. January but nothing was done! The lockdown was to flatten the curve so that the hospital was inundated with sick people. The curve was flattened and hospitals never ever taxed at all and yet operations were put on hold and cancelled for what? Selfish my arse, I am more worried about people I know and don’t know that will be financially stuffed and can’t feed their families and even worse. If you think NZ had bad mental health before then you haven’t seen anything yet, but our esteemed leader says”stay home,save lives” BS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So if no political system gives us equal luck then what's so great about the one you espouse? Comprehension not your strong point is it? This may help..btw which political system am I espousing? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Where did I say that we didn’t need to lock down? The govt. was very slow in doing anything, National suggested action back I. January but nothing was done! The lockdown was to flatten the curve so that the hospital was inundated with sick people. The curve was flattened and hospitals never ever taxed at all and yet operations were put on hold and cancelled for what? Selfish my arse, I am more worried about people I know and don’t know that will be financially stuffed and can’t feed their families and even worse. If you think NZ had bad mental health before then you haven’t seen anything yet, but our esteemed leader says”stay home,save lives” BS!!!! 'National suggested action back I. January but nothing was done! ...lets see evidence of this to see if you can be taken seriously...looks like you're making shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: 'Why is it relevant where I got capital from? -its highly likely you inherited it...lucky sperm. Arderns youthful idealism is totally irrelevant. Earlier in this thread MG pointed out that Sweden had no lockdown and 36,000 unemployed in one month. The world has been heading towards a deep depression ever since the GFC and the ludicrous expansion of the monetary supply and the non productive sector of GDP. Didn’t inherit it at all Holy Crap, came from knowledge and getting off my butt and taking action! You have all the words or think you do, but you do not live in reality, you just want to have handouts under a Socialist government. Anyway, I’m going for a drive, just because I want to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Didn’t inherit it at all Holy Crap, came from knowledge and getting off my butt and taking action! You have all the words or think you do, but you do not live in reality, you just want to have handouts under a Socialist government. Anyway, I’m going for a drive, just because I want to! Good...luck!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: 'National suggested action back I. January but nothing was done! ...lets see evidence of this to see if you can be taken seriously...looks like you're making shit up. Holy Crap.google: Coronavirus, Michael Woodhouse blasts Julie Anne Genter, David Clark over precautions back in January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: You should be told...Simon Bridges ,National Party leader,supported the Govts lockdown policy 100%. What's your point? Just because Bridges agreed doesn't mean I did. Unlike Labour we don't enforce collective thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Earlier in this thread MG pointed out that Sweden had no lockdown and 36,000 unemployed in one month. Sweden as 12m people and already had a high unemployment rate. We have 4.8m people and our unemployed increased by way more than 36,000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Holy Crap.google: Coronavirus, Michael Woodhouse blasts Julie Anne Genter, David Clark over precautions back in January found it...The really dumb thing here is that the Government had already implemented a Pandemic Response plan on the 23rd of January, making Woodhouse’s comments null and void. Clearly Winston Peters’ metaphor concerning Bridges barking at every passing car also applies to the ignorant Michael Woodhouse.' and this...?' 'There's already considerable controversy about National’s existing Chinese MP, Jian Yang, who was outed in 2017 as an officer in the Chinese military who had taught at Chinese military intelligence schools. Yang, who has largely gone to ground, also lied about his previous positions in his application to become a New Zealand citizen, an offence that would normally result in extradition. But if all that wasn't bad enough, in September last year Simon Bridges also went to meet the head of China's secret Police, a meeting that we found out was secretly arranged by Jian Yang, which clearly indicates that the current leader of the National Party is in the pocket of the Chinese. No wonder people now call him Beijing Bridges.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What's your point? Just because Bridges agreed doesn't mean I did. Unlike Labour we don't enforce collective thought. Directed at Brodies comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Comprehension not your strong point is it? This may help..btw which political system am I espousing? Well excuse me for not being able to comprehend the incomprehensible rubbish that you write. I'm asking you what political system you espouse. I have asked more than once but have still to get an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Well excuse me for not being able to comprehend the incomprehensible rubbish that you write. I'm asking you what political system you espouse. I have asked more than once but have still to get an answer. On that evidence you are either making assumptions or making shit up...both it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: But if all that wasn't bad enough, in September last year Simon Bridges also went to meet the head of China's secret Police, a meeting that we found out was secretly arranged by Jian Yang, which clearly indicates that the current leader of the National Party is in the pocket of the Chinese. No wonder people now call him Beijing Bridges.! So are you suggesting we cut off one of our biggest trading partners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sweden as 12m people and already had a high unemployment rate. We have 4.8m people and our unemployed increased by way more than 36,000. And that proves??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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