Yankiwi Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Allweather tracks are not the answer that Nzracing needs to get out of the shite. Key point. There is far more than one problem in the industry. Throwing millions at an AWT, two or three does not get RITA out of the shit at all. Their entire focus should be on cutting costs and increasing revenue. If they ARE somehow are successful completing step one then and only then should they think about the longer term. Entire industry demise is so eminent. AWT's will mean nothing if they don't fix right here and now first. It's not the time for long term investment. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: AWT's will mean nothing if they don't fix right here and now first. It's not the time for long term investment. Especially when you have underutilised tracks that cost next to nothing for the industry to run on. Instead we are going to essentially corporatise new assets with their inherent management and maintenance costs unless of course the trainers and club members turn up to help rake the new AWT's. Of course Harness nor the Greyhounds got any capital out of the PGF. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Especially when you have underutilised tracks that cost next to nothing for the industry to run on. Instead we are going to essentially corporatise new assets with their inherent management and maintenance costs unless of course the trainers and club members turn up to help rake the new AWT's. Of course Harness nor the Greyhounds got any capital out of the PGF. There is a large dollop of self interest at the heart of the debate . Haven't heard from anybody outside of the 3 tracks getting them speak out how great they will be for the industry . Certainly none of the many punters i know have expressed their delight and their intentions of increasing their betting as a consequence . 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, nomates said: Certainly none of the many punters i know have expressed their delight and their intentions of increasing their betting as a consequence . Nor the ones I talk to. I'm picking if there was the choice between a race on AWT in NZ vs a Grass Track in OZ the latter would win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 If these all weather tracks were so good, why hasn’t Riccarton for example been putting money away to make one? If they haven’t got the money then what makes them think that the taxpayer should pay for it and it is money well spent! interesting times ahead! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brodie said: If they haven’t got the money then what makes them think that the taxpayer should pay for it and it is money well spent! A better question is why did the Cambridge Jockey Club need $10m of taxpayers money if they are the "largest training centre in Australasia"? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 21 hours ago, Pitman said: Riccarton may eventually get close to 40 meetings a year, as other tracks are closed, they will not all be run on the AWT. Can you not get your head around that I train at Riccarton never heard of having close to 1600 horses there Cambridge might but a lot of them are trial, sell, RTR horses that never race in NZ so 30 on AWT at Riccarton, 40 at Awapuni , I guess 50 at Cambridge. NZ racing is really going to become a snorefest! Hello world look at our quality racing here on an AWT track from Riccarton on a Wednesday start punting on it, don't worry about that silly racing from Sandown or Warwick Farm Sydney on the grass , this AWT racing is seriously exciting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 So when a G1 race is due to be run but it absolutely pisses down and track is looking worse than H11 , will they transfer said G1 to the closest available A/W ? . Actually any black type race . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, Huey said: so 30 on AWT at Riccarton, 40 at Awapuni , I guess 50 at Cambridge. No! There are 6 AWT meetings scheduled for the AW at Cambridge next season. Add maybe 1 or 2 transfers. Most Riccarton meetings will be on the turf. Perhaps a similar half a dozen on the AW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, curious said: No! There are 6 AWT meetings scheduled for the AW at Cambridge next season. Add maybe 1 or 2 transfers. Most Riccarton meetings will be on the turf. Perhaps a similar half a dozen on the AW. Ok, so AWT is up and running in May, thats 6 meetings in first 3 months(Last 3 months of season)? Seriously Curious you think they'll only schedule 6 meetings there a season? I can't see it, that might be the end scenario but I doubt it once its up and going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 I agree with Curious they are not the main race track, at Riccarton it will always be the grass course proper. At least we can say goodbye to Rangiora, Motukarara and a few others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Huey said: Ok, so AWT is up and running in May, thats 6 meetings in first 3 months(Last 3 months of season)? Seriously Curious you think they'll only schedule 6 meetings there a season? I can't see it, that might be the end scenario but I doubt it once its up and going. Yes, I imagine they'll be used mainly in the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 22 hours ago, aquaman said: Further to the above, you may as well have virtual racing, and cut out the horses altogether. My brother still has his Escalado set in his draw in mint condition,will that do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, curious said: Yes, I imagine they'll be used mainly in the winter. If you take Riccarton as an example (correct me if I'm wrong Pitty) but I think they've been running about 27 meetings a year there on the grass and my understanding is that the committee feels that has the grass course pretty maxed out. If they go to 40 meetings there, then you'd think that might mean say 15 of them on the AW, mostly over winter. I guess there's also the possibility that some meetings could be run using both courses as is common in the US between dirt and turf. Edited May 30, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, curious said: If you take Riccarton as an example (correct me if I'm wrong Pitty) but I think they've been running about 27 meetings a year there on the grass and my understanding is that the committee feels that has the grass course pretty maxed out. If they go to 40 meetings there, then you'd think that might mean say 15 of them on the AW, mostly over winter. I guess there's also the possibility that some meetings could be run using both courses as is common in the US between dirt and turf. Then how are you going to get a return on investment? Plus pay for the increase in operational costs? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then how are you going to get a return on investment? Plus pay for the increase in operational costs? I think UE is saying the return maybe from training on them, that may well be the case and I hope so given their cost and I can't see punters warming to them after the initial novelty factor wears off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Huey said: I think UE is saying the return maybe from training on them, that may well be the case and I hope so given their cost and I can't see punters warming to them after the initial novelty factor wears off. 1,200 horses a month train at Cambridge yet that isn't enough for them to fund an AWT without a Govenrment handout AND a promise of $750k from NZTR. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Then how are you going to get a return on investment? Plus pay for the increase in operational costs? I don't think you are. I didn't say that did I? I think the $20m the industry has to find for them would likely be better spent on existing tracks at this point. Edited May 30, 2020 by curious 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, curious said: I don't think you are. I didn't say that did I? I think the $20m the industry has to find for them would likely be better spent on existing tracks at this point. Surely someone in this industry has done some numbers on this , to see how it can work? I mean surely??? Without government handouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Hewitt Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 And the 70 plus horses who galloped at Rangiora this morning go where if it is got rid of as Mr Pitman suggests, certainly not 40 minutes down the road to Riccarton. Most North Canterbury trainers own their own properties and use the Rangiora track, they are not tenants as are most Riccarton trainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Huey said: Surely someone in this industry has done some numbers on this , to see how it can work? I mean surely??? Without government handouts. Johnny AlLen thought he had struck the jackpot too when he paid Paddy Power mega millions for a effed up betting platform that has effed racing! Unfortunately racing in Nz seems to want to employ people in their executive roles that haven’t really got the clues financially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Brodie said: Johnny AlLen thought he had struck the jackpot too when he paid Paddy Power mega millions for a effed up betting platform that has effed racing! Unfortunately racing in Nz seems to want to employ people in their executive roles that haven’t really got the clues financially. Well you can look at your political mates for this problem. Nathan Clown as Minister who knew nothing about racing appointed a National Party hack, Glenda Hughes who knew nothing about racing as the Racing Board Chair and she apponted a broken down state servant who also knew nothing about racing as the CEO. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bloke said: Well you can look at your political mates for this problem. Nathan Clown as Minister who knew nothing about racing appointed a National Party hack, Glenda Hughes who knew nothing about racing as the Racing Board Chair and she apponted a broken down state servant who also knew nothing about racing as the CEO. Bloke, don’t care who appointed Hughes or John Allen, why does that matter? What matters surely is that racing is stuffed now and there does not appear to be any way of getting out of the shite. Harness appointing Mr Holden as temporary CEO or whatever is also a worry as from his resume of past management roles, does not inspire much confidence unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 It probably won't really matter anyway. There's obviously no-one left at the TAB who knows the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Pitman said: At least we can say goodbye to Rangiora, Motukarara and a few others How does that increases revenue? What is the criteria for deciding the chosen "few others"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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