Basil Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 This sounds good, but I wonder how long such 'collaboration' will last. I also wonder why harness should have to pay for its own new all-weather track when the thoroughbreds are getting several courtesy of the taxpayer. https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/racing/three-codes-urged-work-collaboratively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Saturday, 19 September 2020 Three codes urged to work collaboratively By Steve Hepburn Bernard Saundry The next step in the regional racing review for the South will take place next week but all parties are being urged to get involved. As part of the decision to give the Forbury Park Trotting Club in Dunedin dates for the season, a review into the Otago-Southland racing structure had to be undertaken. It was to be completed by December but that looks like a very tight timetable. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing chief executive Bernard Saundry said the review was about how the racing industry involving the three codes — thoroughbreds, standardbreds and greyhounds — would have a sustainable future in the Otago-Southland region. "Ultimately clubs in the region can build their own future. It is a really important the three codes work together," he said. "There is always politics in these sort of things but the sole focus should be how we can make racing the best it can be in the region," Saundry said three business consultant companies would come back to the New Zealand Racing board next week and offer ideas on how the review would take place and what methodology would be used to progress the review. From there the board would study the ideas and map out how the review would take place. Clubs and stakeholders would be engaged and there would be research and analysis on the economics of racing. "We want to be engaging the racing community and asking what does racing need to look like in five to 10 to 15 years. It is a very important piece of work and we’ve got to have the three codes working together. There is no use each code working out on its own without understanding what other codes are doing. "We want an efficient business which works for the benefits of the three codes, driving participation, ownership and improving wagering outcomes." One suggestion was to build an all-weather track at Wingatui using the proceeds from the sale of the land where Forbury Park was located. Saundry said nothing would be ruled out and everything was on the table. He admitted a lot of work had to be done and come December no firm plan on where the next 10 years would lead would be decided upon. It would be a phased process. The review simply had to be carried out. "This has to be done... You’ve got to own the future of the sport. "It’s an exciting opportunity for clubs to revitalise venues in the region and they should be making the most of the opportunity." He acknowledged there would be parochialism between regions but this could be used in a good way. The codes had been living in the past for too long and it was time to put parochialism away and work together. Other parts of the country such as the Auckland region were also undertaking reviews of the sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By Steve Hepburn Bernard Saundry The next step in the regional racing review for the South will take place next week but all parties are being urged to get involved. As part of the decision to give the Forbury Park Trotting Club in Dunedin dates for the season, a review into the Otago-Southland racing structure had to be undertaken. It was to be completed by December but that looks like a very tight timetable. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing chief executive Bernard Saundry said the review was about how the racing industry involving the three codes — thoroughbreds, standardbreds and greyhounds — would have a sustainable future in the Otago-Southland region. "Ultimately clubs in the region can build their own future. It is a really important the three codes work together," he said. "There is always politics in these sort of things but the sole focus should be how we can make racing the best it can be in the region," Saundry said three business consultant companies would come back to the New Zealand Racing board next week and offer ideas on how the review would take place and what methodology would be used to progress the review. From there the board would study the ideas and map out how the review would take place. Clubs and stakeholders would be engaged and there would be research and analysis on the economics of racing. "We want to be engaging the racing community and asking what does racing need to look like in five to 10 to 15 years. It is a very important piece of work and we’ve got to have the three codes working together. There is no use each code working out on its own without understanding what other codes are doing. "We want an efficient business which works for the benefits of the three codes, driving participation, ownership and improving wagering outcomes." One suggestion was to build an all-weather track at Wingatui using the proceeds from the sale of the land where Forbury Park was located. Saundry said nothing would be ruled out and everything was on the table. He admitted a lot of work had to be done and come December no firm plan on where the next 10 years would lead would be decided upon. It would be a phased process. The review simply had to be carried out. "This has to be done... You’ve got to own the future of the sport. "It’s an exciting opportunity for clubs to revitalise venues in the region and they should be making the most of the opportunity." He acknowledged there would be parochialism between regions but this could be used in a good way. The codes had been living in the past for too long and it was time to put parochialism away and work together. Other parts of the country such as the Auckland region were also undertaking reviews of the sector.
Happy Sunrise Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The next step in the regional racing review for the South will take place next week but all parties are being urged to get involved. Might have been a good idea to have done this before some clubs lost their licence. 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Saundry said three business consultant companies would come back to the New Zealand Racing board next week and offer ideas on how the review would take place and what methodology would be used to progress the review. Wonder what the cost of 3 business consultant companies would cost? Who is paying? Harness has no money. Can't these people think for themselves? They can't even think of a metholody? Ask HRNZ they have one lol. 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: From there the board would study the ideas and map out how the review would take place. December? December next year is tight enough. Will take years. 33 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: "We want to be engaging the racing community and asking what does racing need to look like in five to 10 to 15 years. Ask yourselves. You are in charge. 34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: "We want an efficient business which works for the benefits of the three codes, driving participation, ownership and improving wagering outcomes." Surely this has been the goal all along? 36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The codes had been living in the past for too long and it was time to put parochialism away and work together. Did you not realise this before it got to the situation it is now? Who let it become this way? Sorry, but this is another example of the industry 'leaders' managing 'change' talking bollocks and getting other people to do the work for them to implement more of the same old same old. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Wonder what the cost of 3 business consultant companies would cost? Who is paying? Harness has no money. What do Saundry, Holden and Hughes actually do? Collectively with salaries, perks and expenses they suck more than $1m out of racing. For what? What do we get? Edited September 19, 2020 by Noodlum 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 What's the bet that the consultants reports are not published! FFS we can't even see turnover figures anymore!!!! Does Hughes play golf? If she does that puts the three of them together most weeks on a course just north of Petone? Hint: NOT a racecourse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Noodlum said: What do Saundry, Holden and Hughes actually do? So Southern racing are doing a review and paying 3 lots of consultants. Will they work within the national restructuring taking place by the TAB / Codes or are the consultants being paid to look into this? The 3 codes and TAB do not have the resources to do a self review with the people employed by these groups? 18 minutes ago, Noodlum said: What's the bet that the consultants reports are not published! Of course not, because it will be disagreeable to some but makes it easier for the bosses to say 'the review recommended it'. Business distancing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: So Southern racing are doing a review and paying 3 lots of consultants. No my reading of the article is that NZTR/RITA are doing the review. Presumably ALL punters are paying for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Noodlum said: What do Saundry, Holden and Hughes actually do? Collectively with salaries, perks and expenses they suck more than $1m out of racing. For what? What do we get? They should be sacked for incompetence, none do anything for the great sport of harness racing.😐 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: The 3 codes and TAB do not have the resources to do a self review with the people employed by these groups? Of course they do but they are covering their arses but outsourcing. I bet ya "the experienced knowlegeable" mob hired a consultancy to manage the personnel restructure. Behaviour typical of a Government Department - abdicate the responsibility and risk and push it onto a consultant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Basil said: This sounds good, but I wonder how long such 'collaboration' will last. I also wonder why harness should have to pay for its own new all-weather track when the thoroughbreds are getting several courtesy of the taxpayer. https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/racing/three-codes-urged-work-collaboratively In times gone by most if not all of the trotting clubs have funded there own tracks,strangely 2 are sitting idle at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Happy Bernard must have been misquoted It can't be three business consultants He must have said free Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 A few years back there was a study done into southern racing,it suggested shifting everything to winton,based on climate and other factors,so what happens later on,gallops shut up shop,when will the confusion end? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 The situation with Gore at the moment is another cock up,the race club will have reduced income with no trotting putting the race club under pressure,it is true that each need each other,in reality the clubs ain't the problems it's the a holes making decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Saturday, 19 September 2020 Three codes urged to work collaboratively By Steve Hepburn Bernard Saundry The next step in the regional racing review for the South will take place next week but all parties are being urged to get involved. As part of the decision to give the Forbury Park Trotting Club in Dunedin dates for the season, a review into the Otago-Southland racing structure had to be undertaken. It was to be completed by December but that looks like a very tight timetable. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing chief executive Bernard Saundry said the review was about how the racing industry involving the three codes — thoroughbreds, standardbreds and greyhounds — would have a sustainable future in the Otago-Southland region. "Ultimately clubs in the region can build their own future. It is a really important the three codes work together," he said. "There is always politics in these sort of things but the sole focus should be how we can make racing the best it can be in the region," Saundry said three business consultant companies would come back to the New Zealand Racing board next week and offer ideas on how the review would take place and what methodology would be used to progress the review. From there the board would study the ideas and map out how the review would take place. Clubs and stakeholders would be engaged and there would be research and analysis on the economics of racing. "We want to be engaging the racing community and asking what does racing need to look like in five to 10 to 15 years. It is a very important piece of work and we’ve got to have the three codes working together. There is no use each code working out on its own without understanding what other codes are doing. "We want an efficient business which works for the benefits of the three codes, driving participation, ownership and improving wagering outcomes." One suggestion was to build an all-weather track at Wingatui using the proceeds from the sale of the land where Forbury Park was located. Saundry said nothing would be ruled out and everything was on the table. He admitted a lot of work had to be done and come December no firm plan on where the next 10 years would lead would be decided upon. It would be a phased process. The review simply had to be carried out. "This has to be done... You’ve got to own the future of the sport. "It’s an exciting opportunity for clubs to revitalise venues in the region and they should be making the most of the opportunity." He acknowledged there would be parochialism between regions but this could be used in a good way. The codes had been living in the past for too long and it was time to put parochialism away and work together. Other parts of the country such as the Auckland region were also undertaking reviews of the sector. 1 question,if forbury was sold would they build a all weather trotting track or maybe a all weather galloping track,doesn't say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, mikeynz said: 1 question,if forbury was sold would they build a all weather trotting track or maybe a all weather galloping track,doesn't say. It’s pretty damn obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 hours ago, mikeynz said: A few years back there was a study done into southern racing, Haha. Classic. I won't say anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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