Chief Stipe Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Some odd things with the track rating movements. Rail still out 11m. Remember the last meeting? RACE DAY Weather: Overcast Track: Dead 5 Rail: Out 11m | 7mm Rain Overnight Weather and Track last updated at 6.48am Thursday 11 March Wednesday afternoon Weather: Raining Track: Good 3 Rail: Out 11m Weather and Track last updated at 3.25pm Wednesday 10 March Wednesday afternoon Weather: Drizzling Track: Dead 4 Rail: Out 11m Weather and Track last updated at 2.29pm Wednesday 10 March Withdrawal morning Weather: Fine Track: Dead 4 Rail: Out 11m | Irrigating 8mm tonight Weather and Track last updated at 8.56am Tuesday 9 March Riccarton Park track preview Nomination Afternoon Weather: Fine Track: Dead 4 Rail: Out 11m | Irrigating 8mm tonight Weather and Track last updated at 3.50pm Monday 8 March Nomination Morning Weather: Fine Track: Dead 4 Rail: Out 11m Weather and Track last updated at 9.18am Monday 8 March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 Give me a break! They run 1:09 in the first two maiden races? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Yes and you do believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, etc 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 52 minutes ago, Pitman said: Yes and you do believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, etc That's what the official time was. You have different information Pitty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 All good Pitty yet another wonderful track presented today at Riccarton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Certainly suited some today, after following miss curious last few starts, let her go today after seeing her start favourite, crazy short odds I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 We all know the times at Riccarton and Trentham are always way off. Unsure why (I'm sure someone does). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: All good Pitty yet another wonderful track presented today at Riccarton. Yeah right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 16 hours ago, Pitman said: Yes and you do believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, etc You ALMOST organised for the ACTUAL pen. Readings now 'Going stick' readings to be released didn't you? What happened? Was it the Trackman's cabal who were embarrassed by the thought of TRANSPARENCY due to their 'irrigation' systems spraying all over the place? Punters and other stake holders don't give a damn about red faces... Just the FACTS... If the RAILS OFF and over watered... JUST SHOW US THE FIGURES And then we'll invest...and save the Industry How easy is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I have asked for them at the last two race days and have yet to see them-bad joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Pitman said: I have asked for them at the last two race days and have yet to see them-bad joke The presentation of Riccarton is a disgrace and it has been every since the last day of Cup meeting. Too much listening to 'experts' who clearly know f all. Get O'Malley in - he'll fix it. A chisel plough all over it for a start to aerate it then get a half decent irrigation system. For all that looking at the photos before the last meeting it is probably too far gone and wants ploughed and resown right now to try to get a half decent surface for next spring. Whatever they do it is a lottery - get the run in the right spot and you're halfway home. NZTR need to demand some answers right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 Won't matter how much you plough it the soil structure is stuffed. Even O'Malley would tell you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Pitman said: I have asked for them at the last two race days and have yet to see them-bad joke And it's a sick joke... Bernie goes on endlessly about needing PUNTERS...yet he refuses to get involved when it comes to embarrassing TRACKMEN and their screwed up watering systems... Just show us the FIGURES Bernie.... Or get Matty Cross out there with the rest of the Jocks who take a personal going stick with them...let's us know the real feel Matty Oh and on Thursday Matty said... "should play fear across the width...of course it's tempo related" FFS...yea na... ..not when the rails had the shit watered out of it Matty..get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Pitman said: I have asked for them at the last two race days and have yet to see them-bad joke Why don't you just walk the track with your team of Jockey's on race morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thomass said: Bernie goes on endlessly about needing PUNTERS...yet he refuses to get involved when it comes to embarrassing TRACKMEN and their screwed up watering systems... In defence of the Trackman at Riccarton this week the last 7mm of water came from the clouds and poor soil structure and drainage aside would have provided optimal evenness in water coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 12/03/2021 at 11:42 PM, Reefton said: The presentation of Riccarton is a disgrace and it has been every since the last day of Cup meeting. The track has never been the same since Laing's half-arsed attempt at a reconstruction 25 years ago, the topsoil they removed was many hundreds of years in the making courtesy of Canterbury's north west gales and is/was irreplaceable. The CJC Board at the time who sanctioned the work have a lot to answer for. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 So Danny Frye had his neddy in the Fifth... He watched the first two races and decided it was a Goat Track on the rails... ...and has his neddy had drawn two...he wasn't having a bar of the goat track and asked to late scratch "Yea...na" said the Stupid Stipes..."very fast times...and no disadvantage we can see... Scratches anyway and receives a 3 Hundy fine plus the late scratching fee of 3 hundy 600 all up...to save his Mare losing points...and punters who backed her not knowing the rail was a... Piece of SHIT....saved their hard earned Thanks Danny and good on you for showing up this shit heap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 13/03/2021 at 11:45 AM, Chief Stipe said: In defence of the Trackman at Riccarton this week the last 7mm of water came from the clouds and poor soil structure and drainage aside would have provided optimal evenness in water coverage. As I said...Punters don't give a flying gig about how their track got to that state... FFS...just give Punters the readings...already taken... And let them decide where the best part of the track remains... Without having to go out with a stick like Allpress does...it's already been done.." ...with the New Going Stick How hard is it to give stake holders those figures FFS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Thomass said: So Danny Frye had his neddy in the Fifth... He watched the first two races and decided it was a Goat Track on the rails... ...and has his neddy had drawn two...he wasn't having a bar of the goat track and asked to late scratch "Yea...na" said the Stupid Stipes..."very fast times...and no disadvantage we can see... Scratches anyway and receives a 3 Hundy fine plus the late scratching fee of 3 hundy 600 all up...to save his Mare losing points...and punters who backed her not knowing the rail was a... Piece of SHIT....saved their hard earned Thanks Danny and good on you for showing up this shit heap Fantasy and Fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: As I said...Punters don't give a flying gig about how their track got to that state... FFS...just give Punters the readings...already taken... And let them decide where the best part of the track remains... Without having to go out with a stick like Allpress does...it's already been done.." ...with the New Going Stick How hard is it to give stake holders those figures FFS? Can you give us all a masterclass using a hypothetical scenario showing us how you as "NZ's most prolific tipster (after the race has run)" would apply this Going Stick information? I'm sure many of us would be fascinated to understand and no doubt would help you lobby for this information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Fantasy and Fiction. FFS Mr Frye gave evidence that the track today held a bias towards mid to outside track, against inside drawn horses. He said that GELATO, owned by himself, had drawn two at the barrier and had she drawn towards the outside, he would not be before the Committee, seeking to late scratch her. He explained that GELATO would not have the ability to get out of that inside position over the early stages and would not be competitive for the punters and the horse's sake. Mr Fyre stated that placegetters in the first two races, apart from the 3rd horse in the first race, had drawn out in the running and you do not have to be a rocket scientist to see where the winners are coming from, which was to the outside of the track. He added that any horse drawn down on the inside had compounded over the concluding stages in the first two races. Mr Frye stated that he did not think the filly would be any good on that ground on the inside and did not want to run the horse. He said that if GELATO did not go well today, he would lose a rating point and it could be difficult to get a run in the future. Mr Davidson stated that the Riders had told him the track was inconsistent but there had been no change in track conditions and unlikely for any upgrade or downgrade of the track. He added horses were doing good times and the Stewards objected to the request to late scratch GELATO as there had not been a material change in track conditions. He added that the 3rd placed horse, VAN HALEN, in race 2, had drawn 2 at the barrier. Reasons For Decision: The Committee carefully considered all submissions and evidence presented with this request for a ruling. This Committee found that Mr Frye had genuine concern for GELATO’S ability to handle the track from an inside draw of two, however, not a lot of evidence that the track was bias to mid to outside barrier draws, as there had been only 2 races and both those were from the 1200m shute. Several place getters in the first two races had raced from inside draws. Mr Davidson stated that the riders had informed him that the track was inconsistent but that they had no intention to upgrade or downgrade the track as would be required for a late scratching to be considered. This Committee ruled that the circumstances presented by Mr Frye did not pass the threshold required for the Committee to consider granting Mr Frye’s request to late scratch GELATO. Decision(s): Mr Frye’s request for a ruling to late scratch GELATO is denied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 So you are both smoking the same stuff? The results don't show any bias with regard to draws. But who would have known - not you. That aside if any trainer had walked the track prior to scratching time they would have seen it's state. "You would not have to be a rocket scientist to work that out"! Expecting it to be any better than the previous raceday on the same part of the track would have required extreme optimism. Perhaps Frye should have scratched as soon as the draws came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Reasonably rare for stakeholders to demand all the penetrometer readings for a meeting. I did the Reefton ones (prior to race morning) and would gladly have produced the info. There were variances but they were not consistent variances (if that makes sense). If you are asked and refuse to provide them then one can only conclude that you have something to hide? I know Riccarton have the big money meetings but how long before trainers start to boycott them? I know as an owner I am sick of getting the excuse that the horse got down on the fence and never had a hope. And that two year old filly should have back type on Cup Day but got switched to the inner and the rest is history. I only lease a share but if I owned her I would be quite shitty. She has a stakes race in prospect in early May(assuming she gets there of course) but am I better buying a lotto ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Reefton said: Reasonably rare for stakeholders to demand all the penetrometer readings for a meeting. I did the Reefton ones (prior to race morning) and would gladly have produced the info. There were variances but they were not consistent variances (if that makes sense). The Penetrometer or even the Going Stick won't tell you if the surface will break up and become shifty either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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