Jumps racing

[the galah]

Watching todays jumps racing,and you would think its days must be numbered. Injured jockeys and horses ,several horses falling.Whats the point when you see racing like that?

[Chief Stipe]

Yep and another couple of hundred horses a year off to the knackers yard.

It's not tiddly winks @the galah

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yep and another couple of hundred horses a year off to the knackers yard.

It's not tiddly winks @the galah

Well those running the jumps racing do nothing to change things,so hard to have much sympathy for them. I think we discussed the same subject last year. I and another poster(Freda maybe) commented that  most of the falls and injuries are at the fences in the final straight,So why don't they just make the final straight jump free.Doesn't that seem logical?

[nomates]

7 minutes ago, the galah said:

Well those running the jumps racing do nothing to change things,so hard to have much sympathy for them. I think we discussed the same subject last year. I and another poster(Freda maybe) commented that  most of the falls and injuries are at the fences in the final straight,So why don't they just make the final straight jump free.Doesn't that seem logical?

It's what they do at a lot of the Aussie tracks , even Cheltenham in England have a long run in , also if i remember right it was the same at Aintree when i watched the National a few weeks ago .

Unfortunately our lot aren't great for innovation , they lack vision therefor the same old same old is their manta .

[barryb]

I attended today & there were 5 fallers in the 3 hurdles races, ironically the 1 fatality was in race 9 with a broken leg after the line.

I think the 5 fallers today would be equal to the total number across the rest of the yr so far from what I have seen, jocks are doing a great job of pulling up out of contention runners.

I do agree though that its days are numbered, either they do as you say and remove the jumps in the straight or spend some of that huge so called profit they are getting and transition to the safer jumps they have in Aus. They appear to have been highly successful in preventing falls.

Edited July 3, 2021 by barryb

[Huey]

Whilst I dont disagree its days are numbered.

What do people expect they are jumping races after all, they have taken away the jumps on the corners to stop the falls there, if you take anymore away they are just going to go faster and become glorified flat races. 

The 5 falls were in the mdn hurdle at HB where they do go a bit quicker.

What happens to the horses that are proper jumpers that can jump? What is the point of having them in work, more wastage.

I think the game will more likely be up via a lack of interest. 

What do people think of the NZTR initiative to have one venue like a Warnambool & where do you think it should be? 

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, barryb said:

I do agree though that its days are numbered, either they do as you say and remove the jumps in the straight or spend some of that huge so called profit they are getting and transition to the safer jumps they have in Aus. They appear to have been highly successful in preventing falls.

I haven't watched OZ hurdles for a while but didn't they have problems using those broom bristles?  Part of the problem being that the height and resistance and the horses were travelling too fast.

Now the reaction to yesterday's events by some is in my opinion an over-reaction.

Only one Jockey was moderately injured and none of the horses that fell were seriously injured spectacular though the falls may have looked.  The worst injury was a cut nose!

What is happening is a cluster - less opportunities for jumpers, less experienced educators, more novice and inexperienced jockey's and poorer track surfaces.   The poorest jumping displays were in the maiden hurdles.  Are they schooled enough before getting their ticket for race day?  Do those giving out the tickets have enough experience?

We allow flat races to choose the ground over which they gallop but when it comes to the jumpers we force them to the inside which invariably on our NZ tracks is the worst part of the surface.  Then we purse our lips and suck a lemon and say "Ooooh I don't think we should have jumps racing because it is a bad look!"

You only have to look at the track preparation that the Steeplechase courses get at our Premier tracks to see that where there is a problem.  At least in OZ the majority of the big training centres have dedicated all round jumps tracks for training - do we?

Many of our hurdles look like they are only dragged out of the shed once a year, given a hose down to wash the bird shit off and then the local home handyman bangs them up with a few 4 x 2's, some fencing wire and a few six inch nails!

Do you think those with negative opinions are commenting on the symptoms of an overall decline in the attention to detail and the quality of how things are being done?  I think so and who will lose?  Firstly the slower horses with big hearts that try all day but aren't quick enough on the flat to win a race, secondly the Jockey's who are too big to race on the flat because they struggle to ride at 63kg let alone 53kg and finally the owners who lose any chance on getting some return on the slow horse they bought.

[barryb]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

 

The 5 falls were in the mdn hurdle at HB where they do go a bit quicker.

 

One of the fallers was at the 2nd last in the main hurdle.

[barryb]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I haven't watched OZ hurdles for a while but didn't they have problems using those broom bristles?  Part of the problem being that the height and resistance and the horses were travelling too fast.

Only one Jockey was moderately injured and none of the horses that fell were seriously injured spectacular though the falls may have looked.  The worst injury was a cut nose!

What is happening is a cluster - less opportunities for jumpers, less experienced educators, more novice and inexperienced jockey's and poorer track surfaces.   The poorest jumping displays were in the maiden hurdles.  Are they schooled enough before getting their ticket for race day?  Do those giving out the tickets have enough experience?

We allow flat races to choose the ground over which they gallop but when it comes to the jumpers we force them to the inside which invariably on our NZ tracks is the worst part of the surface.  Then we purse our lips and suck a lemon and say "Ooooh I don't think we should have jumps racing because it is a bad look!"

You only have to look at the track preparation that the Steeplechase courses get at our Premier tracks to see that where there is a problem.  At least in OZ the majority of the big training centres have dedicated all round jumps tracks for training - do we?

Many of our hurdles look like they are only dragged out of the shed once a year, given a hose down to wash the bird shit off and then the local home handyman bangs them up with a few 4 x 2's, some fencing wire and a few six inch nails!

Do you think those with negative opinions are commenting on the symptoms of an overall decline in the attention to detail and the quality of how things are being done?  I think so and who will lose?  Firstly the slower horses with big hearts that try all day but aren't quick enough on the flat to win a race, secondly the Jockey's who are too big to race on the flat because they struggle to ride at 63kg let alone 53kg and finally the owners who lose any chance on getting some return on the slow horse they bought.

The Oz hurdles have been raised higher & they fall flat if hit hard enough, from what I have seen they are much safer.

Yes the hurdles/steeple fences at hastings are shagged old dreadful looking things from the past, surely they are not that expensive to replace with the ones they have in Aus.

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, barryb said:

Yes the hurdles/steeple fences at hastings are shagged old dreadful looking things from the past, surely they are not that expensive to replace with the ones they have in Aus.

I've sussed it out.  Apparently Racing is getting another $30m in the next year and NZTR have to do their own code marketing.  Why don't NZTR buy some new jumps and put advertising billboards on the bottom of the jumps?  Perhaps high tech solar powered neon lights?

[Gospel of Judas]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I've sussed it out.  Apparently Racing is getting another $30m in the next year and NZTR have to do their own code marketing.  Why don't NZTR buy some new jumps and put advertising billboards on the bottom of the jumps?  Perhaps high tech solar powered neon lights?

Remember it is all about virtue signaling! you could even invite Jacinda Ardern over to take a selfie with it on... 

[mumbles]

On 4/07/2021 at 2:35 PM, Huey said:

Whilst I dont disagree its days are numbered.

What do people expect they are jumping races after all, they have taken away the jumps on the corners to stop the falls there, if you take anymore away they are just going to go faster and become glorified flat races. 

The 5 falls were in the mdn hurdle at HB where they do go a bit quicker.

What happens to the horses that are proper jumpers that can jump? What is the point of having them in work, more wastage.

I think the game will more likely be up via a lack of interest. 

What do people think of the NZTR initiative to have one venue like a Warnambool & where do you think it should be? 

Should have been at Paeroa,but vision was lacking when it came up for sale.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, mumbles said:

Should have been at Paeroa,but vision was lacking when it came up for sale.

Agree, I'm picking it will be at Te Aroha. I think they should use one of the under utilised tracks and turn it into a jumping mecca. But they probably won't.