Joe Bloggs Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 There's never been any leadership at that joint team, when you are useless at what you do and some fool offers you megabucks to jump ship and go to another place of fwitsm and a state of the art pie warmer, you just do it don't you? The Taj Mahal is full of underachievers hiding in full view, an academy award performance by all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 This is a prime example of the ineptitude and incompetence prevalent within the industry. How long have they had to sort out a plan for racing to continue (like in Aus. should be able to do it ,they copy off everything else from there) whilst Level 4 existed ? They have absolutely no idea, I cannot believe the industry accepts this from its leadership. COVID never went away but they didn't bother in the slightest and putting something together that was inevitable. MEETING NEWS Taranaki RI | Saturday 21 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They asked him , BTB's reply was " says FO you twats " . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Huey said: This is a prime example of the ineptitude and incompetence prevalent within the industry. How long have they had to sort out a plan for racing to continue (like in Aus. should be able to do it ,they copy off everything else from there) whilst Level 4 existed ? They have absolutely no idea, I cannot believe the industry accepts this from its leadership. COVID never went away but they didn't bother in the slightest and putting something together that was inevitable. MEETING NEWS Taranaki RI | Saturday 21 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED Can't put a short term plan in place far less a long term sustainable plan . I'm waiting to see what they are doing with the Otaki trials next week , the obvious thing is Thursday , if they don't then the 2yo at Wanganui isn't going to happen . That is just one of the little things that they should have had ready to move on , we were never coming out of level 4 tonight so they had 2 days to have a couple of plans ready depending on how the Govt went . Guarantee they come out with something on Monday which just gives people less time to plan . OK , i know it was a big ask expecting them to come out with 2 plans ready to go . My bad . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: There's never been any leadership at that joint team, when you are useless at what you do and some fool offers you megabucks to jump ship and go to another place of fwitsm and a state of the art pie warmer, you just do it don't you? The Taj Mahal is full of underachievers hiding in full view, an academy award performance by all! It's been a long line of no hopers that have taken up residence in charge of NZ racing . The problem is the people who keep replacing one loser with another . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doomed Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Huey said: This is a prime example of the ineptitude and incompetence prevalent within the industry. How long have they had to sort out a plan for racing to continue (like in Aus. should be able to do it ,they copy off everything else from there) whilst Level 4 existed ? They have absolutely no idea, I cannot believe the industry accepts this from its leadership. COVID never went away but they didn't bother in the slightest and putting something together that was inevitable. MEETING NEWS Taranaki RI | Saturday 21 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED I don't think we can blame them for that. This govt was never going to let Racing carry on as they have done in Aussie. They would have got too muck flak. Their continual polling would have told them there isn't sufficient interest in racing in NZ to exempt it. As someone else mentioned, the worry is that punters get into the habit of concentrating almost totally on Aussie racing. I know I loved the Aussie racing during the last lockdown and have never looked back. I am disappointed we didn't get to see the Cambridge meeting scheduled for tomorrow. It would have been good to see the AWT used for better class racing. Seems weird to me to have $50m of resources devoted to maidens and predominantly one win horses. The other worry is that if we resume next week it will be with $40,000 open races and $30,000 for everything else. No way will those meetings run at a profit. It will be the same horses running around, and potentially some poor fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Doomed said: I don't think we can blame them for that. This govt was never going to let Racing carry on as they have done in Aussie. They would have got too muck flak. Their continual polling would have told them there isn't sufficient interest in racing in NZ to exempt it. Well the won't get $35m + $35m = $70m to bail them out this time. Will be interesting to see the wage subsidy applications from the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Well the won't get $35m + $35m = $70m to bail them out this time. Will be interesting to see the wage subsidy applications from the industry. If this goes on for a few weeks , which is likely for Auckland region at least , and they aren't going to allow racing to continue then i think we are in a whole lot of pain if they don't prop us up . It's not a normal run of the mill business , it's an industry with huge tentacles , it would cost the taxpayer more if they left it to collapse . Going to be an interesting watch , along with how the management deal with an extended lockdown , regarding fixtures and programming etc . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Just now, nomates said: If this goes on for a few weeks , which is likely for Auckland region at least , and they aren't going to allow racing to continue then i think we are in a whole lot of pain if they don't prop us up . It's not a normal run of the mill business , it's an industry with huge tentacles , it would cost the taxpayer more if they left it to collapse . Going to be an interesting watch , along with how the management deal with an extended lockdown , regarding fixtures and programming etc . Well there are cracks in the Government ranks even if they don't need the Greens. I just can't see them bailing the industry out again. They will have to start following the NSW or even the Sweden approach sooner than later which might see racing with no crowds again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Doomed said: I don't think we can blame them for that. This govt was never going to let Racing carry on as they have done in Aussie. They would have got too muck flak. Their continual polling would have told them there isn't sufficient interest in racing in NZ to exempt it. As someone else mentioned, the worry is that punters get into the habit of concentrating almost totally on Aussie racing. I know I loved the Aussie racing during the last lockdown and have never looked back. You're far too forgiving and I Can't agree, its their job to make every endeavour possible to see racing able to continue , that simply hasn't happened. We may be talking about weeks of a lockdown , where is the plan? It's getting made up as we go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Look on the bright side Awapuni's AWT is looking less and less likely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Huey said: where is the plan? It's getting made up as we go along. Goodness Huey, you are suggesting they can think on their feet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Just now, Doomed said: Goodness Huey, you are suggesting they can think on their feet? I'd settle for them thinking while lying down which they seem to be good at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel of Judas Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Huey said: This is a prime example of the ineptitude and incompetence prevalent within the industry. How long have they had to sort out a plan for racing to continue (like in Aus. should be able to do it ,they copy off everything else from there) whilst Level 4 existed ? They have absolutely no idea, I cannot believe the industry accepts this from its leadership. COVID never went away but they didn't bother in the slightest and putting something together that was inevitable. MEETING NEWS Taranaki RI | Saturday 21 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED MEETING NEWS Rotorua- BOP HC | Sunday 22 August ABANDONED Don't be like that! saving some money by not hosting them! then can increase distribution at the end of the year!. Too show actually doing something to increase the stakes and spin another we spin doctored story. That things are on the up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 So here is an indication of their lack of pro active thought , Taupo has a meeting Wednesday , nom's closed at 12pm , races at Cambridge and Taranaki abandoned after the 3pm announcement , why were the nom's then extended for Taupo to allow some of the horses that can't run at the abandoned meetings to try and get a start on Wednesday . They had 8 races programmed for Wednesday , so why not run 12/13 races if the numbers were there . This is the lack of thought that is drowning our industry , it's not a hard one to do , but just a lack of leadership . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, nomates said: So here is an indication of their lack of pro active thought , Taupo has a meeting Wednesday , nom's closed at 12pm , races at Cambridge and Taranaki abandoned after the 3pm announcement , why were the nom's then extended for Taupo to allow some of the horses that can't run at the abandoned meetings to try and get a start on Wednesday . They had 8 races programmed for Wednesday , so why not run 12/13 races if the numbers were there . This is the lack of thought that is drowning our industry , it's not a hard one to do , but just a lack of leadership . Why not just postpone the Cambridge meeting to the following Thursday? It isn't as if it clashes with Ashburton with regard to horses and those galloping at Cambridge don't seem to be set for turf racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, nomates said: So here is an indication of their lack of pro active thought , Taupo has a meeting Wednesday , nom's closed at 12pm , races at Cambridge and Taranaki abandoned after the 3pm announcement , why were the nom's then extended for Taupo to allow some of the horses that can't run at the abandoned meetings to try and get a start on Wednesday . They had 8 races programmed for Wednesday , so why not run 12/13 races if the numbers were there . This is the lack of thought that is drowning our industry , it's not a hard one to do , but just a lack of leadership . Good afternoon, If the Taupo region is in Level 3 than the meeting will proceed. A Mdn 3YO 1200m race ($10,000) will be created out of the Mdn 1200m nominations. All races will be left open until 9am when the decision will be made whether to divide another race or races. There will be two trials run prior to the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, curious said: Good afternoon, If the Taupo region is in Level 3 than the meeting will proceed. A Mdn 3YO 1200m race ($10,000) will be created out of the Mdn 1200m nominations. All races will be left open until 9am when the decision will be made whether to divide another race or races. There will be two trials run prior to the meeting. Maybe someone's reading BOAY ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, nomates said: Even a conman doesn't just take your money without giving you the dream of what your money can bring you if you give it to said conman . I detest the whole land grab idea , but they are that dumb they are not even trying to sell the concept with the big shinny plan on how they intend to spend , more of the same is never going to get any body to part with their asset . I honestly believe if they had a plan , done in conjunction with clubs like your own and the rest of the coast that showed the coast had a strong future , and so on with the rest of the country , set in reality that gave everyone a picture of a bold new future that included everybody being on the ride then a lot more people would more positive about restructuring the NZ industry . Maybe not ? No hope for the Coast NM and so long as they are consistent I could not argue. None of the tracks are up to standard(ours is by far the best but they are all far too small and the others can be shitholes) As I have said many times if they shut the lot I could not argue but arbitrarily shutting ours irritates shit out of me. I'm the only one with the determination to keep them honest but I am fighting a losing battle both in terms of bashing my head against a brick wall and also from my own enthusiasm perspective(and I don't know that anyone particularly appreciates it - they'll bloody moan when Bernard rolls up to collect the keys to the racecourse though!). The only one with the potential to be improved is Reefton since we (1) own more land and (2) it is good land(not swamp or down a bank from the course proper) but why would we try when we only have three more years guaranteed? Anyway since our day is to go to the all weather at Riccarton they will starve the joint out by reducing racedays to two. Kumara, from what I hear, is one foot on a banana skin financially so one bad day will sink them(especially if it is cancelled too late for them to save some of the raceday costs) so that leaves Greymouth. IF K Myers ever gets a virus in his team or the shits with travel then they will struggle to get numbers given they burnt their bridges with M Pitman. We shall see I guess but we are on the slippery slidey slope as much as anything or anyone in the Industry. It is life in small town NZ but from my perspective my motivation gets less and less every year so why worry? They don't want the likes of me and to be fair I can understand why given(1)I don't fit the profile and (2)I am a big mouthed shit stirrer. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Reefton said: No hope for the Coast NM and so long as they are consistent I could not argue. None of the tracks are up to standard(ours is by far the best but they are all far too small and the others can be shitholes) As I have said many times if they shut the lot I could not argue but arbitrarily shutting ours irritates shit out of me. I'm the only one with the determination to keep them honest but I am fighting a losing battle both in terms of bashing my head against a brick wall and also from my own enthusiasm perspective(and I don't know that anyone particularly appreciates it - they'll bloody moan when Bernard rolls up to collect the keys to the racecourse though!). The only one with the potential to be improved is Reefton since we (1) own more land and (2) it is good land(not swamp or down a bank from the course proper) but why would we try when we only have three more years guaranteed? Anyway since our day is to go to the all weather at Riccarton they will starve the joint out by reducing racedays to two. Kumara, from what I hear, is one foot on a banana skin financially so one bad day will sink them(especially if it is cancelled too late for them to save some of the raceday costs) so that leaves Greymouth. IF K Myers ever gets a virus in his team or the shits with travel then they will struggle to get numbers given they burnt their bridges with M Pitman. We shall see I guess but we are on the slippery slidey slope as much as anything or anyone in the Industry. It is life in small town NZ but from my perspective my motivation gets less and less every year so why worry? They don't want the likes of me and to be fair I can understand why given(1)I don't fit the profile and (2)I am a big mouthed shit stirrer. I feel your sadness Reefton , i am in the same position , as are many other , the enthusiasm for the sport has been sucked out of us , but we are continually told to remain positive , haha . I am now past caring , i had a great time whilst involved and while i still a have a small interest now it certainly won't be increasing here . I was hoping that we could become good again but i think we past the tipping point now . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Reefton said: No hope for the Coast NM and so long as they are consistent I could not argue. None of the tracks are up to standard(ours is by far the best but they are all far too small and the others can be shitholes) As I have said many times if they shut the lot I could not argue but arbitrarily shutting ours irritates shit out of me. I'm the only one with the determination to keep them honest but I am fighting a losing battle both in terms of bashing my head against a brick wall and also from my own enthusiasm perspective(and I don't know that anyone particularly appreciates it - they'll bloody moan when Bernard rolls up to collect the keys to the racecourse though!). The only one with the potential to be improved is Reefton since we (1) own more land and (2) it is good land(not swamp or down a bank from the course proper) but why would we try when we only have three more years guaranteed? Anyway since our day is to go to the all weather at Riccarton they will starve the joint out by reducing racedays to two. Kumara, from what I hear, is one foot on a banana skin financially so one bad day will sink them(especially if it is cancelled too late for them to save some of the raceday costs) so that leaves Greymouth. IF K Myers ever gets a virus in his team or the shits with travel then they will struggle to get numbers given they burnt their bridges with M Pitman. We shall see I guess but we are on the slippery slidey slope as much as anything or anyone in the Industry. It is life in small town NZ but from my perspective my motivation gets less and less every year so why worry? They don't want the likes of me and to be fair I can understand why given(1)I don't fit the profile and (2)I am a big mouthed shit stirrer. Sadly, Reefton, I think you are right. Shutting the lot would be the option if they were honest, this way it is death by a thousand cuts. As you say, your club has the potential to be upgraded, if the will was there, it isn't. Hokitika also had the funds for upgrades, if that had been an option. It wasn't. 'Clubs don't need to disband, the option will be to race at another course'... sure it is. Hokitika have been denied a date [ apart from the first year ] since giving NZTR the middle finger and giving their asset back to the community. Three days squashed into six days is not attractive to trainers visiting from elsewhere, and if reduced to two? Kumara survived the banana skin referred to with a loan [ since repaid ] from Westland. That won't be available any more. And, apart from the pleasure of seeing old friends/families over the hill - and some pretty nice scenery - the costs that are ever increasing in this industry are reducing the appeal for many Cantabrians, with the possibility of more racing over this side. Dargaville is now on the radar. While I have every sympathy with the club, breast-beating and hiring legal counsel is pointless. The writing has been on the wall since the passing of the Racing Act 2000 with that action [ nicking club assets ] now enshrined in law. How, beats me. It just highlights the ineptitude of pollies [ or more likely their utter disinterest in things racing ] to pass such legislation more redolent of a banana republic. The attitude of the NZTA Pres. is telling...' close them down, they're costing us money '. Thus speaketh the Waikato glitterati. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Reefton said: No hope for the Coast NM and so long as they are consistent I could not argue. None of the tracks are up to standard(ours is by far the best but they are all far too small and the others can be shitholes) As I have said many times if they shut the lot I could not argue but arbitrarily shutting ours irritates shit out of me. I'm the only one with the determination to keep them honest but I am fighting a losing battle both in terms of bashing my head against a brick wall and also from my own enthusiasm perspective(and I don't know that anyone particularly appreciates it - they'll bloody moan when Bernard rolls up to collect the keys to the racecourse though!). The only one with the potential to be improved is Reefton since we (1) own more land and (2) it is good land(not swamp or down a bank from the course proper) but why would we try when we only have three more years guaranteed? Anyway since our day is to go to the all weather at Riccarton they will starve the joint out by reducing racedays to two. Kumara, from what I hear, is one foot on a banana skin financially so one bad day will sink them(especially if it is cancelled too late for them to save some of the raceday costs) so that leaves Greymouth. IF K Myers ever gets a virus in his team or the shits with travel then they will struggle to get numbers given they burnt their bridges with M Pitman. We shall see I guess but we are on the slippery slidey slope as much as anything or anyone in the Industry. It is life in small town NZ but from my perspective my motivation gets less and less every year so why worry? They don't want the likes of me and to be fair I can understand why given(1)I don't fit the profile and (2)I am a big mouthed shit stirrer. I don't think you're a shit stirrer at all, it's just a bloody shame and a sham there are not more like you, apathy brought this on, you've never been guilty of that. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Reefton said: No hope for the Coast NM and so long as they are consistent I could not argue. None of the tracks are up to standard(ours is by far the best but they are all far too small and the others can be shitholes) As I have said many times if they shut the lot I could not argue but arbitrarily shutting ours irritates shit out of me. I'm the only one with the determination to keep them honest but I am fighting a losing battle both in terms of bashing my head against a brick wall and also from my own enthusiasm perspective(and I don't know that anyone particularly appreciates it - they'll bloody moan when Bernard rolls up to collect the keys to the racecourse though!). The only one with the potential to be improved is Reefton since we (1) own more land and (2) it is good land(not swamp or down a bank from the course proper) but why would we try when we only have three more years guaranteed? Anyway since our day is to go to the all weather at Riccarton they will starve the joint out by reducing racedays to two. Kumara, from what I hear, is one foot on a banana skin financially so one bad day will sink them(especially if it is cancelled too late for them to save some of the raceday costs) so that leaves Greymouth. IF K Myers ever gets a virus in his team or the shits with travel then they will struggle to get numbers given they burnt their bridges with M Pitman. We shall see I guess but we are on the slippery slidey slope as much as anything or anyone in the Industry. It is life in small town NZ but from my perspective my motivation gets less and less every year so why worry? They don't want the likes of me and to be fair I can understand why given(1)I don't fit the profile and (2)I am a big mouthed shit stirrer. I seem to recall that back in the 80s there was a proposal to build one brand new centralised racecourse on the Coast totally funded by the industry. But, surprise, surprise, the clubs weren't interested. Back then I think Kumara was going ok. So the new grandstand was built at Omoto instead. Things might have been different if the clubs had been more open minded. Ironically, the first galloping club to give up was Westport, probably in the 80s. I suspect their problem was that their dates just didn't work. Interestingly the Coast isn't that far away from Canterbury. Christchurch to Greymouth is closer than ChCh to Oamaru, and certainly closer than the Waikato to Ruakaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doomed said: I seem to recall that back in the 80s there was a proposal to build one brand new centralised racecourse on the Coast totally funded by the industry. But, surprise, surprise, the clubs weren't interested. Back then I think Kumara was going ok. So the new grandstand was built at Omoto instead. Things might have been different if the clubs had been more open minded. Why would have a centralised racecourse worked? Didn't help Harness racing on the Coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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