How long will we remain in Level Four in New Zealand?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

53 cases. All in AKL. No unexpected watewater results. We can do this.

Do what exactly?  If you think we can eliminate Covid-19 forever then you are dreaming.

[curious]

24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

First Vaccine related death.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126225003/covid19-woman-with-medical-issues-dies-from-myocarditis-rare-side-effect-of-pfizer-vaccine

Isolated case but this sort of stuff keeps me wavering on getting the jab.

 

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, curious said:

Isolated case but this sort of stuff keeps me wavering on getting the jab.

 

Well the risk of getting struck by lightning is greater but then not going outside in a thunder storm stops that.

[Chief Stipe]

Although @curious given your age and the fact you have been a heavy smoker it is probably advisable for you to get vaccinated.

My primary concern is and always has been the vaccination of under 16 year olds.  The long term safety data just isn't available yet.  Given they have next to no risk, much much less than the flu, then I believe it is unethical to vaccinate them.

[Chief Stipe]

The reason Northland is lumped in with Auckland at the moment is that a cleaner working at the rest home in Warkworth tested positive.

The same cleaning company cleans for Northpower.

So even though Warkworth is 100km from Whangarei the whole of Northland is locked down.  

 

[Yankiwi]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

First Vaccine related death.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126225003/covid19-woman-with-medical-issues-dies-from-myocarditis-rare-side-effect-of-pfizer-vaccine

By my count, currently the Covid vaccine thus far has killed more people in NZ than the Delta variant has...

Edited August 30, 2021 by Yankiwi

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Although @curious given your age and the fact you have been a heavy smoker it is probably advisable for you to get vaccinated.

My primary concern is and always has been the vaccination of under 16 year olds.  The long term safety data just isn't available yet.  Given they have next to no risk, much much less than the flu, then I believe it is unethical to vaccinate them.

Why? Given that even freshly vaccinated, the benefit evidence against Delta is doubtful, if the current outbreak is quashed in NZ and there is no other and therefore no risk for say 6 months, it will certainly be largely ineffective by then, especially against any new variant. Already those who were vaccinated early, in Feb and March probably would have little protection against a new variant.

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, curious said:

Why? Given that even freshly vaccinated, the benefit evidence against Delta is doubtful, if the current outbreak is quashed in NZ and there is no other and therefore no risk for say 6 months, it will certainly be largely ineffective by then, especially against any new variant. Already those who were vaccinated early, in Feb and March probably would have little protection against a new variant.

True.  At this rate NZ will never reopen.  Suggest if any of your horses have talent then get them to OZ.

[curious]

14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

True.  At this rate NZ will never reopen.  Suggest if any of your horses have talent then get them to OZ.

I agree. If re-opening is contingent on a substantial proportion of the population being in an effective vaccination status by the end of the year say, re-opening can't happen based on the current vaccine strategy and the evidence at hand. Even the short-lived re-opening strategy with Australia has failed miserably and any re-opening is as much dependent on the rest of the world as it is on NZ. We may be in our own national bubble for some time to come.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, curious said:

I agree. If re-opening is contingent on a substantial proportion of the population being in an effective vaccination status by the end of the year say, re-opening can't happen based on the current vaccine strategy and the evidence at hand. Even the short-lived re-opening strategy with Australia has failed miserably and any re-opening is as much dependent on the rest of the world as it is on NZ. We may be in our own national bubble for some time to come.

NZ can't afford it and I doubt the population will remain compliant forever.  In terns of compliance there are cracks emerging everywhere.

[Yankiwi]

What's the thoughts on this trial?

Seems to be more along the line of a normal kind of vaccine to me, but I'm not very clued up on the subject.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/covid-19-coronavirus-trials-start-in-papamoa-and-rotorua-for-possible-new-vaccine/AR6GKWCXSITKVRI5LVQSQA3TC4/

or

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/126099487/covid19-new-european-vaccine-being-trialled-in-nelson

Edited August 30, 2021 by Yankiwi

[curious]

30 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

What's the thoughts on this trial?

Seems to be more along the line of a normal kind of vaccine to me, but I'm not very clued up on the subject.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/covid-19-coronavirus-trials-start-in-papamoa-and-rotorua-for-possible-new-vaccine/AR6GKWCXSITKVRI5LVQSQA3TC4/

or

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/126099487/covid19-new-european-vaccine-being-trialled-in-nelson

Seems promising to me.

[curious]

On 28/08/2021 at 2:01 PM, curious said:

Now 25. 2 in ICU I see

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Yes but we know nothing about pre-existing conditions.

Also there have been 37,000 close contacts but so far only 700 infections.