Teaz to return commentator box - Lets go Manawatu

[Karrotsisback]

I Karrots of BOAY, shall put forth a nom for Teaz to be Commentator for Manawatu season 21/22 on a trial basis for the 12 meetings, which starts Tues 26th Oct 2021 thru to 31 March 2022.

Brods 2nds the motion.

Reason - enthusiastic, committed, passionate, experienced, knowledgable, won’t have to travel from an area such as Auckland which could be in lockdown, is a trainer so could be traveling there anyway. (This would cut out a travel payment cost).  Also adds a bit of flavour to the otherwise boring workouts/trials commentating.

* Teaz have you thought about writing a proposal to TAB just to state your availability. Have noticed some that were let go have been reinstated or partly so.

Could add to your proposal that you would be happy to do Form guide also as part of agreement for a specific price BUT you would not charge a travel cost as you could also state your support for the meeting, saying you will nom a minimum of 1 runner per Mana meeting.

This would be something that is unique & none of the other commentators could do right … ?

Even if you were to say write in & they say no, will just be in the same position as you are in now, BUT at least you tried. You never know if your proposal is more financially beneficial to them & also your support to Mana & they see this they might go for a trial basis. Give them something the others are not.

[JTeaz]

Thankyou Karrots, certainly reads well.

One thing that concerns me and was done last season was the fact they didn't use a commentator on course for the most part. Mark Rosanowski was already on course for the dogs and then later, Aaron just called the races from the Auckland studio. Given the technology they have this was very doable but as much as Aaron tried was god awful for the participants on course. Also it leads to inaccuracies beyond Aarons control.

Given the tight purse strings they will favor this option I am sure.

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, JTeaz said:

One thing that concerns me and was done last season was the fact they didn't use a commentator on course for the most part. Mark Rosanowski was already on course for the dogs and then later, Aaron just called the races from the Auckland studio.

This is in my opinion a crap decision.  It further removes racing from the community and stakeholders.  A good commentator can't work effectively by looking through the camera lens controlled by someone on course.  If they keep going down this path why not just do away with any live stakeholders or competitors and make it all computer generated virtual and random.....like pokies?

The only cost that saved by having commentators sitting in a centralised studio is travel costs.

[Karrotsisback]

Yikes that sounds cheap & nasty.

So other points you could potentially also pop into proposal: 

* That you were encouraged to put a proposal in by peers & or racing enthusiasts, fans etc.

* In an effort to regain traction back in CD racing, you would also be willing to post on your stables Facebook page about every meeting they have, this would include posting info about the horse that you have nom-ed. (you do this anyway lol - got to point this out).

* If you have a truck, maybe you could offer spaces within it, to take other horses down. They would have to pay, like a car pooling type thing, but this be a horse truck pooling & they would need to get their horse to yours.

That way it helps with horse numbers for Mana & also helps cover cost for you getting down, therefore you don’t need to charge TAB for gas costs. How can they say no, when they would be saving on gas costs BUT wait for it, bonus get a commentator on site!

There might be hobby trainers or smaller trainers that would send horses, BUT don’t want to go as too far or hobby trainers can’t go due to work commitments or even bigger trainers that have just 1 horse but don’t want to pay full transport costs. Could end up being a win-win situation. Mana club would appreciate it too, the support.

Charge a fee that is reasonable for ALL including you & your staff taking these horses down & getting them ready too. Lol, signing up for a lot more. But hey just do it for 1 season & could have a max of say 4. Get yourself back as commentator. Someone else can take up the role as horse truck pooler to Mana if its a hit.

Think this is a fab idea/proposal & 1 the TAB would be silly to refuse. Helping with propping up fields by nominating a horse & or assisting with transportation for others down, TAB Form selections, promoting Mana meeting via social media + commentating). Phew what a mouth-full!

Have a think about what you would be able & willing to do out of the above suggestions & perhaps with your wife, come up with a proposal for TAB.

And Good Luck!

[Brodie]

Better still, Teaz could do Auckland when it reopens?

Would not have to put up with the Magicman, The Chief, Ribbon of Light, all dressed up blah blah blah!

Jason Teaz actually tips better as well for the punters not the $2 shots.

For some reason he is out of favour with the TAB, and I know what that feels like!

 

[Rangatira]

37 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Better still, Teaz could do Auckland when it reopens?

Would not have to put up with the Magicman, The Chief, Ribbon of Light, all dressed up blah blah blah!

Jason Teaz actually tips better as well for the punters not the $2 shots.

For some reason he is out of favour with the TAB, and I know what that feels like!

 

But Aaron kitty litters Jason in one important area.

[Karrotsisback]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Teaz actually tips better as well for the punters not the $2 shots.

Yes Teaz was the only 1 that beat Karrots in our BOAY selecting comp. Karrots was not happy with this lol.  It was Cambridge one. The 1 where Karrots was on Majestic Man & teaching ALL about those Cambridge corners. Cracked me up a bit come Jewels day when Dunn on Need You Know, foot down and what 6 wide, kept ploughing forward to the lead. He knew. Had the tip, those Camb corners over a MILE. Got to get to the front.

 

[Karrotsisback]

24 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said:

It was Cambridge one. 

Speaking of Cambridge, the meeting this week at Cambridge, GREAT news,

HRNZ have DONE WELL, go them - credit were credit is due & negotiated that now horses can travel out in level 4 to race in level 3. This means those Auk horses can start at Camb this week. 

[Brodie]

You will have trouble following form for awhile!

The horses were not meant to be fast worked at Level (do nothing)!

However the horsemen have obviously given our esteemed leader the middle finger, and good on them!

You just will not know the fitness of any of them!

Be good to have it back though

 

[Rangatira]

14 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said:

Speaking of Cambridge, the meeting this week at Cambridge, GREAT news,

HRNZ have DONE WELL, go them - credit were credit is due & negotiated that now horses can travel out in level 4 to race in level 3. This means those Auk horses can start at Camb this week. 

But still can't be fast worked ?

[Karrotsisback]

https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news/covid-update-august-31/

Here is the info.

Enjoyed reading the wording of this part, esp the bolded. This is well worded IMO.

A reminder that under Alert level 4 light exercise is permitted on the grounds of animal welfare, and a trainer will know how much exercise is needed for an individual horse so that they are kept calm and in a good mental state. However under Alert 3 full training of your horses is allowed.

Right Im logging off for nite folks.

Nite all.

[Taku Umanga]

How economic is it to pay a commercial transporter to bring horses from out of the Waikato region to race?

Manawatu (x7), Thames (x1), Auckland (x23).  Will there be enough drivers in the Waikato region?

[Chief Stipe]

10 hours ago, Rangatira said:

But still can't be fast worked ?

I get your point.  A horse can't be fast worked in Level 4 I.e. north of Pokeno but can be transported south without its trainer to race under Level 3.

[Karrotsisback]

THIS IS A MUST READ IF YOU ARE ON THIS THREAD. FROM THE BOLD ***

Morning everyone to those that are now level 3, not this person, level 4 still.

Oh dear, read about the storm that passed thru Auks, not last nite but nite prior. You know Iv never really been that afraid of lightening & thunder, BUT was texting with a friend & said to them crap the lightening/thunder just stopped the heat pump (had probs with it for rest of nite, but its back fine now & it flickered the TV - lights etc.

Text friend saying how this is scary stuff. Woke up in morning to read flooding in Auks & horse rescues took place. 1 was T Hopkins recused a harness horse. Wonderful animal welfare. Wonder where the Stuff MVB story is on it … made TVNZ news.

*** Back to topic, now peeps Chief, Brods thoughts on this?

Want to be clear & most likely like yourself never meet Teaz, Im informed that he was proactive & made contact with TAB to advise of his availability & how has been doing Puke workouts pretty much volunteering TIME, approx 2 hours driving time + commentating, they pay for his gas costs. Which is nice of them & keeps his experience up - not running down Puke.

Point Im raising is TAB have come back with a slap in face.

Have these people never trained in Communications? Or taken a Communications class at Uni? 

No Thank you for your time in getting in contact & reaching out. No Thank you for your previous duties/services & efforts for us. No Thank you for your passion & desire towards the industry. No thank you for supporting the industry & the area with taking horses down to CD & grass track meetings. No, we will bear this in mind should our situation change.

Shockingly dismissive attitude & treatment towards a former staff member, whom like others simply lost job due to Covid. Not for ill wrong doing reasons. I feel sad for Teaz. 

PRETTY MUCH JUST White will be doing the commentating from his studio in Auckland, should TAB need this to happen because this is BRILLIANT. And other people in area that do other codes that are already on contract, BUT key word here, DO not specialise in Harness will do anything else.

(Peeps that are not aware, no-one would be losing their job should Teaz take up a temp short term independent contract to do Mana season 21/22). What would happen however is someone would be on-course at ALL times to commentate & someone would do the TAB Form guide & could help with social media & could possibly help with the odd transport of other trainers horses when they are stuck to go to Mana. Also it would be a break from White White White, doing Auks, Waikato, & Mana which I find too repetitive doing ALL of them, since the usual Mana commentator J Evans left Mana.

REASONING - TIGHT BUDGET.

Iv tried to encourage Teaz to not give up the fight. Approach Manawatu & put forward a proposal to them e.g. truck thing, nom-ing horses and/or supporting with social media or even HRNZ. Also get Puke onboard & also Chief you too to represent BOAY. To re-put forward a proposal with peers signatures in support (stronger in numbers). But I don’t want to push too much. So will leave it at this.

From Brods experience & now Teaz & also this NO Saturday thing, when HRNZ recently put forward to them, but clearly got the big fat NO. Im starting to form an impression of TAB & their attitude towards Harness & Harness peeps. Oh yes & that initially weird - annoying website that was created that cost millions yet I could never load on phone. (Can load it now works fine after approx 1 year). And I recall reading when Guerin lost his job too re Covid last year, he reached out offered to work FOC, but was meet with a slap in the face too!

Im allowed my opinion & that is my thoughts after sleeping on it.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Karrotsisback said:

Want to be clear & most likely like yourself never meet Teaz, Im informed that he was proactive & made contact with TAB to advise of his availability & how has been doing Puke workouts pretty much volunteering TIME, approx 2 hours driving time + commentating, they pay for his gas costs. Which is nice of them & keeps his experience up - not running down Puke.

You keep writing as if the issue is with TAB NZ.  Don't the answers lie with HRNZ given code marketing and Trackside funding has been shifted to the codes?  Perhaps you should email Woodham and get his comments.

I don't believe that HRNZ are being entirely straight up about this issue.

[Karrotsisback]

36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

You keep writing as if the issue is with TAB NZ.  Don't the answers lie with HRNZ given code marketing and Trackside funding has been shifted to the codes?  Perhaps you should email Woodham and get his comments.

I don't believe that HRNZ are being entirely straight up about this issue.

Yes that is on this thread re TAB & also when someone brought up on another thread re Saturdays, altho actually for that one I was more putting that 1 down to the gallops peeps (can't be trusted). Have not brought up TAB at all, nope don't think so, with exclusion to once when concurred with you that android ph did not bring up TAB website.

I am not an expert & NOT sure exactly where ALL issues, however I am under the impression that on this particular occasion it was communications with TAB or a representative of, not HRNZ. 

Understand you for whatever reason don't care for Woodham. Think recall you mentioning he used to work at TAB or something, when that website was done millions spent.

Why would I write to HRNZ about this. I have as already posted here on this thread stated that I have encouraged Teaz not to give up & perhaps to contact others regarding this further than TAB e.g. HRNZ & Mana Club themselves. 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Karrotsisback

[Chief Stipe]

The point I was making is that the balance of control/power over Trackside/Code Marketing is now in the hands of the code administrators.  Correct me if I'm wrong on that point.  But if I'm correct then HRNZ are in the drivers seat.

[Karrotsisback]

29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The point I was making is that the balance of control/power over Trackside/Code Marketing is now in the hands of the code administrators.  Correct me if I'm wrong on that point.  But if I'm correct then HRNZ are in the drivers seat.

Excellent point. I see. Give ya a like. 

No idea. BUT if that is correct then yippee Teaz has more options then, to go forth & conquer hehe. Oh yes re thinking payments should be paid out for commentating workouts & trials too really whats a couple hundred bucks. Gee wonder if those video workouts/trials if that is just volunteer stuff ... ?? Hmm not a bad debate to have, 

BUT

Im gunna paint my nails now. Be back later 😃

 

 

[Brodie]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I get your point.  A horse can't be fast worked in Level 4 I.e. north of Pokeno but can be transported south without its trainer to race under Level 3.

But horses will not be fit enough to be racing if they have just been jogged as we are only out of Level do nothing today!

The naughty horse trainers mustve. Had the binoculars out?

Good on them, Ardern and Bloomfield, are going to be left with so much egg on their face it is not funny!

Their plan lf zero cases is forever is effed and business is paying!

They will not accept another lockdown and watch her halo drop off!

[Ludwig]

23 minutes ago, Brodie said:

But horses will not be fit enough to be racing if they have just been jogged as we are only out of Level do nothing today!

The naughty horse trainers mustve. Had the binoculars out?

Good on them, Ardern and Bloomfield, are going to be left with so much egg on their face it is not funny!

Their plan lf zero cases is forever is effed and business is paying!

They will not accept another lockdown and watch her halo drop off!

Hmmm. . I got added to a list called "definitive maggots.com" for daring to suggest that Cindy's halo was slipping.

[Karrotsisback]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Ardern and Bloomfield

Brods, one skips away for 2 ticks to do nails, comes back & finds Brods YET again, highjacking my thread I STARTED with politics. After highjacking my Covid Lockdowns Stories thread with politics talk & also now continuing with it Sweet Lou How Do You Do. Please not this 1 too 😞 

Would love your input tho re this thread title & my latest posts regarding it. What are you thoughts? I mean I do understand they are on a TIGHT BUDGET BUT who's fault is that? And now who are the ones that are getting punished from it. 

Was thinking while painting nails, we have spoken already about the North in decline, worst case scenario does the North really want to lose another trainer? I mean if it was me, for example I would consider leaving the industry. Volunteering & passion can only go so far.

I do hope Chief is right re "HRNZ now have is that the balance of control/power over Trackside/Code Marketing is now in the hands of the code administrators". And I do hope someone reads this that can reach out to Teaz or Teaz make contact with others. 

On a positive subject wonder if anyone is up to playing the selections game 😄 Could do Addington or Cambridge. Maybe Addington for a change away from Cambridge 😄 Prob too late notice to do the meeting tomorrow. Not much else to do atm in lockdown 3 & 4.

Edited September 1, 2021 by Karrotsisback

[Chief Stipe]

29 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said:

Would love your input tho re this thread title & my latest posts regarding it. What are you thoughts? I mean I do understand they are on a TIGHT BUDGET BUT who's fault is that? And now who are the ones that are getting punished from it. 

What "TIGHT BUDGET"?  According to @JJ Flash and TAB NZ the industry is rolling in it. $170m coming this year.  That said what IS THE BUDGET for HRNZ?  Where is the business plan?

[Karrotsisback]

29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What "TIGHT BUDGET"?  According to @JJ Flash and TAB NZ the industry is rolling in it. $170m coming this year.  That said what IS THE BUDGET for HRNZ?  Where is the business plan?

Ok wait. So did they not give the excuse that Covid was for the lay-offs early last year, however with or without Covid they were in the poop or lost money on that website as it cost heaps or something along those lines. That is what I am referring too.

You make a good point.

Im really not up with the play with TAB, BUT Karrots is no fraud & this is the recent reasoning given currently for no Teaz to do Mana 21/22.

TIGHT BUDGET!

Do you think they are telling tales?

[Brodie]

3 hours ago, Karrotsisback said:

Brods, one skips away for 2 ticks to do nails, comes back & finds Brods YET again, highjacking my thread I STARTED with politics. After highjacking my Covid Lockdowns Stories thread with politics talk & also now continuing with it Sweet Lou How Do You Do. Please not this 1 too 😞 

Would love your input tho re this thread title & my latest posts regarding it. What are you thoughts? I mean I do understand they are on a TIGHT BUDGET BUT who's fault is that? And now who are the ones that are getting punished from it. 

Was thinking while painting nails, we have spoken already about the North in decline, worst case scenario does the North really want to lose another trainer? I mean if it was me, for example I would consider leaving the industry. Volunteering & passion can only go so far.

I do hope Chief is right re "HRNZ now have is that the balance of control/power over Trackside/Code Marketing is now in the hands of the code administrators". And I do hope someone reads this that can reach out to Teaz or Teaz make contact with others. 

On a positive subject wonder if anyone is up to playing the selections game 😄 Could do Addington or Cambridge. Maybe Addington for a change away from Cambridge 😄 Prob too late notice to do the meeting tomorrow. Not much else to do atm in lockdown 3 & 4.

Karrots I did offer my opinion on Jason Teaz!

The thing is that what Ardern and her fellow nillers are doing currently is far more important than harness racing or anything else!!!!

The issue is that so many people or sheep are just so far under her spell that they can not see what she is doing to a once amazing country!

In four years or so her and Tubby and Bloomfield have estowed so much debt on the coming generations.

Her policies that have all totally failed have contributed majorly to the fact that many more. people than necessary will never ever own their own home and in fact be in financial trouble all of their lives!

You are delusional if you believe they are on the right track sith what they are doing in regard to lockdowns and eradication of the coviid19 flu virus!

Even the almighty Dan Andrews the Victorian premier dictator has now backtracked on eradication!

Sorry to have to say this, but the ones who voted Ardern and her fellow non performers back in, have done a major disservice to NZ!!!!

Just watch what happens over the next month or so, the halo is well and truly gone!

[Karrotsisback]

10 hours ago, Brodie said:

Karrots I did offer my opinion on J Teaz!

Very good Brods, yes you did, was meaning latest re TIGHT BUDGET. Lets just try & stay focused on topic 😃

Shall await JJ's input 😃

So curious now, are they on a TIGHT BUDGET or are they NOT ON A TIGHT BUDGET ... 

"To be or not to be, that is the question" - W Shakespeare.

Edited September 1, 2021 by Karrotsisback