Huey Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I wonder how their $2m new IT system installation is going. Any Trainers or Owners or any Stakeholders seen any value yet? haven't noticed anything of any note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, nomates said: Really , who in their right mind is going to NZTR for help if they are feeling mentally fragile or being bullied , no one goes to NZTR for anything , industry participants on the whole know they are useless . Your likely to end up in worse condition . On top of anything else this sort of thing should have been done 30/40/ years ago , far too late now , most employers that are left and serious have worked this out for themselves and make sure they're staff are looked after . So yet again we stand looking at the stable door sitting wide open . It's an easy win , tick box exercise simple as that really, no real accountability on delivery with an initiative like this , so just like they like it - Tick! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 Just now, Huey said: It's an easy win , tick box exercise simple as that really, no real accountability on delivery with an initiative like this , so just like they like it - Tick! Good point. How do they measure the success of this initiative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I wonder how their $2m new IT system installation is going. Any Trainers or Owners or any Stakeholders seen any value yet? I can't say I've seen any difference at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I wonder how much they are paying the helpline operator/s for the flood of calls they must be getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Their laughing all the way to the bank, their bank, not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Must be the only industry on the planet that pays these type of people these salaries, and no one holds them to account? How many melt downs from grass roots people have there been and the inepts at HQ looked the other way, I know of a few, I bet most of you do too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Good point. How do they measure the success of this initiative? That it was released to fanfare- tick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: The site is hosted on Amazon servers using Drupal. Have no idea who their web developer is but why they have chosen Drupal is beyond me. Seems they have really spent large (sarcasm font) and are using this site to develop their website. https://platform.sh/ Suspect they have gone with a small developer who really doesn't know what they are doing. That seems to be their modus operandi , getting people on board who have very few clues , i suspect that the small operator is a mate of a mate of someone who doesn't know what they are doing at NZTR . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Good point. How do they measure the success of this initiative? By how many can fathom out how to get on the link . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 The link has been fixed. But I still find it unbelievable that the site went live without testing the most important link. Not that it is clear for the user on where to find it as @nomates points out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 The link seems to work now. https://whenracingwins.nz/get-help-report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The link seems to work now. https://whenracingwins.nz/get-help-report Someone is watching BOAY . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 Just now, nomates said: Someone is watching BOAY . I imagine it was found pretty quickly. The problem was easy to identify and fix. It may have even been a last minute change that hadn't been cache updates with their CDN Cloudflare. I can't understand why they bother with Cloudflare when the audience is local not global. But then TAB NZ use it as well and it is the source of some of their problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Yeahh no biggie but as you said, it should have been tested and the documents proof-read before going live. More of a worry is this: When you fill in the fields below, all your information stays confidential - and one of our expert advisors will get in touch Confidential to whom or what? How will it be stored? How do I access it? This is health information and needs to be managed in compliance with the HIP Code 2020. And, who are these "experts"? I'm not sure that NZTR has the same idea about what expertise is as I do. Are they health professionals bound by a code of ethics? I'm not sure I'd be very comfortable sending that sort of private information winging its way into the ether to some unknown destination for perusal by some unknown person/s. Would you? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Still getting the same 502 error on this page. https://whenracingwins.nz/stepping-workplace-bullying https://whenracingwins.nz.master-7rqtwti-3pt3l7ajckbw2.au.platformsh.site/get-help-report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, curious said: Still getting the same 502 error on this page. https://whenracingwins.nz/stepping-workplace-bullying https://whenracingwins.nz.master-7rqtwti-3pt3l7ajckbw2.au.platformsh.site/get-help-report I don't. But anyway do you think a lot of this is written to snitch on licensee employers? Just some of the wording. For example why would you as an employee contact need to contact the Racing Integrity Board over a bullying issue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't. But anyway do you think a lot of this is written to snitch on licensee employers? Just some of the wording. For example why would you as an employee contact need to contact the Racing Industry Board over a bullying issue? I think you mean the Racing Integrity Board. I would think the stipes would be an option to address and monitor it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 No use asking Saundry about bullying, he's in denial, ask Kate Goodrich, trainer, Seymour, Victoria. Outsourcing human welfare issues to the Salies was their mantra at NZTR, a bunch of no-hopers hiding in a bunker just north of another bunker, The Beehive I think it's called...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 28, 2021 Author Share Posted September 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, curious said: I think you mean the Racing Integrity Board. I would think the stipes would be an option to address and monitor it. Yes I did mean the Integrity Board. Why the Stipes when they don't have the licensor relationship nor the employer one? Don't they have enough to work on without extending their remit? At the end of the day the Employer relationship is governed by legislation that the RIB have no control over let alone any expertise in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dogs Life Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 On 9/28/2021 at 2:29 PM, Chief Stipe said: I don't. But anyway do you think a lot of this is written to snitch on licensee employers? Just some of the wording. For example why would you as an employee contact need to contact the Racing Integrity Board over a bullying issue? I can give you one reason, I've witnessed employee's and some trainers bullied by other staff at Hatrick, the bullied people went to management and every time the bully won, hence the reason some staff left or were pushed. Can't remember how many years back but at a members meeting Greg Kerr from GRNZ was present, he stood up after witnessing much infighting and bickering (common place) and said no other club had the bullying, undercurrents and back stabbing that Hatrick had. He actually employed a independent person to engage with trainers and staff to try sort issues, (I suspect many were to scared to speak up for fear of names leaked and retribution) Other trainers will remember this, those issues were still present till racing was suspended. I can see the need for help and support and the benefits to those needing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, A Dogs Life said: I can give you one reason, I've witnessed employee's and some trainers bullied by other staff at Hatrick, the bullied people went to management and every time the bully won, hence the reason some staff left or were pushed. Can't remember how many years back but at a members meeting Greg Kerr from GRNZ was present, he stood up after witnessing much infighting and bickering (common place) and said no other club had the bullying, undercurrents and back stabbing that Hatrick had. He actually employed a independent person to engage with trainers and staff to try sort issues, (I suspect many were to scared to speak up for fear of names leaked and retribution) Other trainers will remember this, those issues were still present till racing was suspended. I can see the need for help and support and the benefits to those needing it. LMAO if they think they are going to be hiring people to deal in club politics, pickering etc they will need a small army of employers in the racing industry to deal with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dogs Life Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 9/29/2021 at 3:12 PM, Huey said: LMAO if they think they are going to be hiring people to deal in club politics, pickering etc they will need a small army of employers in the racing industry to deal with that. They did hire someone, but he couldn't solve it and it was put in the to hard basket. Then years later Paul Freeman started sorting it when he took over at Hatrick until they pushed him out. I'd put money on it if Paul was still in charge Hatrick it wouldn't have closed. Christchurch had track issues so put a plan into action and re did track, guess difference is they have leadership and vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, A Dogs Life said: They did hire someone, but he couldn't solve it and it was put in the to hard basket. Then years later Paul Freeman started sorting it when he took over at Hatrick until they pushed him out. I'd put money on it if Paul was still in charge Hatrick it wouldn't have closed. Christchurch had track issues so put a plan into action and re did track, guess difference is they have leadership and vision. Has Hatrick stopped racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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