nomates Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Reefton said: losing enthusiasm by the minute! Give us long enough we'll suck it all out of you . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, nomates said: Give us long enough we'll suck it all out of you . Nobody has been more cynical than I I can tell you. My eyes are wide open but question is whether the heart rules the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Reefton said: Nobody has been more cynical than I I can tell you. My eyes are wide open but question is whether the heart rules the head It's good that the Cromwell visit inspired you re racing. Cromwell and Central Otago always has that effect on me. Are there any definite plans re the extension of the Reefton track? Or is that in the pending basket? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 20 hours ago, Reefton said: The lack of a logical two year old series was mentioned as one focus of the project yes as was trying to do something about handicapping to keep older geldings(say) in the game when they have met their mark but continue to race well enough that they are not dropping in rating Re the hierarchy well in my view the heirarchy in terms of been there done that is one man BJ Anderton and he certainly would be carefully consulted. As for the rest of those who think they should be holding sway well I think we will have a look at the way things have been going while they have held sway and draw some conclusions as to the job they have done. The troube is they are following BS/NZTR pointless "venue plan" and the M report (well picking the parts they like i.e. the parts they wrote themselves or fabricated and thrust on the NZ industry) the damage has been done with those in mind and unfortunately there are still many naive industry participants out there who think both are going to create a more bouyant industry, when in my view they have both produced the opposite . NZTR should be kept as far a way as possible from producing any plans or reports or even commisioning them for that matter, they could turn the golden goose into a sparrow ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 They can re-heat a mean sausage roll though! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Ludwig said: It's good that the Cromwell visit inspired you re racing. Cromwell and Central Otago always has that effect on me. Are there any definite plans re the extension of the Reefton track? Or is that in the pending basket? I wouldn't say Cromwell 'inspired' me(the Missus and her mates enjoy the wineries and when I thought we might not be allowed in to the races was told 'we're going anyway') but I always like Central Otago and cannot understand why NZ racing does not make more use of that track(or why they shut down Omakau which was a perfectly good and immensely popular holiday date). We go every year, hardly ever back a bloody winner, but enjoy it(it coincides with our anniversary weekend here so the trip home is not at the expense of a day's work). I have often said if they forced Reefton to close I would rather relocate to Cromwell than Omoto. Re Reefton extending we need some cooperation for the local council to relocate a very minor road(not to residential houses but to the local recycling station) but our VP who was the Deputy Mayor for years reckons we will struggle to get it. The road reserve/road cuts off the necessary five or so acres we own and need for expansion. There is still genuine enthusiasm even from the Harness guys but I am struggling to impress upon them that anything less than 1400m is simply not worth it from a Thoroughbred perspective. I am not interested in a 1200m or 1300m track. Plus whatever we do we will probably need a realignment of the straight and definitely to fix the very tight bend out of the straight so there is a lot of thinking planning and negotiating to do. One thing in our favour is some very capable local contractors keen to help but we will need RSDF assistance and that means support from NZTR. That in turn means they will want to poke the nose of their 'experts' in and you all know my opinion on 'experts' touching tracks. So in summary we are at step one of a long process. Always good to have interest in our mad ideas though so thanks for that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Reefton said: I wouldn't say Cromwell 'inspired' me(the Missus and her mates enjoy the wineries and when I thought we might not be allowed in to the races was told 'we're going anyway') but I always like Central Otago and cannot understand why NZ racing does not make more use of that track(or why they shut down Omakau which was a perfectly good and immensely popular holiday date). We go every year, hardly ever back a bloody winner, but enjoy it(it coincides with our anniversary weekend here so the trip home is not at the expense of a day's work). I have often said if they forced Reefton to close I would rather relocate to Cromwell than Omoto. Re Reefton extending we need some cooperation for the local council to relocate a very minor road(not to residential houses but to the local recycling station) but our VP who was the Deputy Mayor for years reckons we will struggle to get it. The road reserve/road cuts off the necessary five or so acres we own and need for expansion. There is still genuine enthusiasm even from the Harness guys but I am struggling to impress upon them that anything less than 1400m is simply not worth it from a Thoroughbred perspective. I am not interested in a 1200m or 1300m track. Plus whatever we do we will probably need a realignment of the straight and definitely to fix the very tight bend out of the straight so there is a lot of thinking planning and negotiating to do. One thing in our favour is some very capable local contractors keen to help but we will need RSDF assistance and that means support from NZTR. That in turn means they will want to poke the nose of their 'experts' in and you all know my opinion on 'experts' touching tracks. So in summary we are at step one of a long process. Always good to have interest in our mad ideas though so thanks for that. Thanks. I am not particularly interested in the big city race tracks, but it's the smaller provincial courses that hold my interest. That's where the grass roots racing industry flourished, and I think we lose that connection with the heartland at our peril. Of course, the suits might see it differently. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, Ludwig said: Thanks. I am not particularly interested in the big city race tracks, but it's the smaller provincial courses that hold my interest. That's where the grass roots racing industry flourished, and I think we lose that connection with the heartland at our peril. Of course, the suits might see it differently. I think so too Of the really five huge days in South Island racing(NZ Cup day, Riverton Easter Saturday, Cromwell on the last Sunday in November, Kurow and Kumara how many are at country venues?) And if you divide the stakes paid by the number of attendees on those days the writing is pretty plain on the wall. Oncourse attendance is where the new devotees are recruited in my view 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Reefton said: I think so too Of the really five huge days in South Island racing(NZ Cup day, Riverton Easter Saturday, Cromwell on the last Sunday in November, Kurow and Kumara how many are at country venues?) And if you divide the stakes paid by the number of attendees on those days the writing is pretty plain on the wall. Oncourse attendance is where the new devotees are recruited in my view To summarize, leaving aside the enigma that is Kumara, three of the most successful southern meetings are at courses where tracks and facilities are run and maintained by locals and volunteers, and bird shit is scrubbed off seats by committee members. Yet these are the ones that the nobs repeatedly want to close.?? Cut off the heartland to fund the elite. There, it's all quite simple. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 43 minutes ago, Ludwig said: To summarize, leaving aside the enigma that is Kumara, three of the most successful southern meetings are at courses where tracks and facilities are run and maintained by locals and volunteers, and bird shit is scrubbed off seats by committee members. Yet these are the ones that the nobs repeatedly want to close.?? Cut off the heartland to fund the elite. There, it's all quite simple. Kumara is run by volunteers too to be fair and they did not want to close Cromwell in the M report but regardless when the carpark is chokka you can be pretty sure it ain't at the big boys venue! And you can guarantee that irritates the shiite out of the Petone crowd. Kurow is the real ripper where in the last few years they have had to literally shut the gates because the course has been full to the brim. Now whether us purists like big crowds(I don't much) there is nothing to promote racing better than a venue bursting at the seams. And the strange thing is that at four of those events the racing and/or track could hardly be said to be of the highest quality in terms of horseflesh on display or facilities provided(and at the other one there is a huge facility that is fenced off because you cannot use it and there appears to be no discernible progress in replacing or making it usable). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Ludwig said: To summarize, leaving aside the enigma that is Kumara, three of the most successful southern meetings are at courses where tracks and facilities are run and maintained by locals and volunteers, and bird shit is scrubbed off seats by committee members. Yet these are the ones that the nobs repeatedly want to close.?? Cut off the heartland to fund the elite. There, it's all quite simple. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Reefton said: I wouldn't say Cromwell 'inspired' me(the Missus and her mates enjoy the wineries and when I thought we might not be allowed in to the races was told 'we're going anyway') but I always like Central Otago and cannot understand why NZ racing does not make more use of that track(or why they shut down Omakau which was a perfectly good and immensely popular holiday date). We go every year, hardly ever back a bloody winner, but enjoy it(it coincides with our anniversary weekend here so the trip home is not at the expense of a day's work). I have often said if they forced Reefton to close I would rather relocate to Cromwell than Omoto. Re Reefton extending we need some cooperation for the local council to relocate a very minor road(not to residential houses but to the local recycling station) but our VP who was the Deputy Mayor for years reckons we will struggle to get it. The road reserve/road cuts off the necessary five or so acres we own and need for expansion. There is still genuine enthusiasm even from the Harness guys but I am struggling to impress upon them that anything less than 1400m is simply not worth it from a Thoroughbred perspective. I am not interested in a 1200m or 1300m track. Plus whatever we do we will probably need a realignment of the straight and definitely to fix the very tight bend out of the straight so there is a lot of thinking planning and negotiating to do. One thing in our favour is some very capable local contractors keen to help but we will need RSDF assistance and that means support from NZTR. That in turn means they will want to poke the nose of their 'experts' in and you all know my opinion on 'experts' touching tracks. So in summary we are at step one of a long process. Always good to have interest in our mad ideas though so thanks for that. Probably needs NZTR to say we will give you another couple of days if you sort your track out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Doomed said: Probably needs NZTR to say we will give you another couple of days if you sort your track out. We are not that concerned about extra days really. I would just like to have a track we can be proud of(and the huge current deficiency is its circumference). I have mentioned the possibility of extending it to Bernard (a couple of years back to be fair) and his rapid response was 'We've got no money'. To which I replied 'we don't want money we just want NZTR support if we go to the Racing Safety Development Fund for half the costs'. He did not commit either way but I am wary of them - many years before they lied about the Coast when we sought money for a new set of gates that we had to ultimately fund ourselves. Basically Campbell Moncur said we didn't need them despite the fact that they had promised us a new set of gates when they insisted we stop using our old manual set. Last thing I need if we go the the RSDF is for them(NZTR) to turn around and not back us for the money. If we have a 1400m track then we have the best track on the Coast unquestionably which should totally ensure our survival(we have the best track already but it is far too small) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Couldn't agree more. http://www.theoptimist.co.nz/ NZTR more worried about COVID Copy and Paste than the actual lives of jockeys etc. BS should most certainly front up! http://www.theoptimist.co.nz/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Trentham debacle: the buck stops with NZTR http://www.theoptimist.site/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/2021-12-09.png by Brian de Lore Published 9th December 2021 The Trentham abandonment fiasco on Saturday is yet another example of a racing industry in administrative dishevelment; the failure to get the basics right or even follow its own rules. The two most basic requirements to run a race meeting are to have horses ready to race and a racing surface prepared for that purpose. The trainers did their part and took their horses to Trentham from all parts of the country at great expense to the hundreds upon hundreds of owners who pay for them. But the inability of the Wellington Racing Club/Race Incorporated/NZTR to carry out the most basic of their responsibilities to have a track correctly prepared for safe racing resulted in a monumental fail. Everyone in racing knows that when summer arrives and the tracks get firm, summer rain always has the potential to turn the racing surface into a skating rink. A combination of a competent track manager, common sense, and an eye on the weather forecast usually eliminates potential problems. That happened on Saturday at Matamata, but not Trentham. The problem occurs every year – though not usually at a premier meeting with several important group races – and the track manager gets chained into the stocks before he’s hung out to dry. Once the level of vilification has satisfied the powers that be, and the blame’s placed squarely upon one or two heads, the industry moves on before the same problem rears its ugly head again the following year. The ambulance at the bottom of the cliff The ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is a recurring theme for NZTR. In a document named ‘NZTR and RIU Race Meeting Abandonment Protocols,’ dated May 2018, the narrative covers only the procedures to be followed in the event of abandonment. It does not provide any pre-race day checks and balances procedures to mitigate the risk on the days leading up to the meeting. So, if the track manager has a bad week, has taken his eye off the ball, potentially lost interest in the job, or even received a coercive phone call from a trainer looking for a particular type of going, the ingredients for a fail come into play. By Saturday morning, it’s too late, the damage irreparable. NZTR is mostly to blame for Saturday’s abandonment, and the buck stops with CEO Bernard Saundry. He needs to front up and make that admission and fully apologise to all affected parties and provide a refund to the extent of $1,500 per horse (average) and not one likely to be a fraction of that amount. The Annual Report shows NZTR held back $10 million, so the money is there to pay it. As well as the costs of horse transport – the commercial price of floating a Pukekohe-Trentham return is now $850 to $900 – you add accommodation for trainers and staff, airfares, meals, and petrol for those who drove. Midnight Mass, the favourite in the one and only race, will not be refunded, though, because it raced, nor will the punters who made it favourite even though the jockey had concerns about letting its head go. Owners drove from Winton to Trentham And then the story of the two owners who drove to Wellington from Winton in Southland thinking they would see their horse run in the Captain Cook Stakes. Petrol, the ferry crossing, two nights in a hotel, and on arrival at Trentham’s race day office, got the news that they had run out of racebooks and the issuing of owners’ drinks tickets had discontinued at the WRC due to COVID. “Note from Bernard Saundry” in this week’s Raceform devoted only the first four paragraphs to the abandonment and didn’t go as far as an apology or an acceptance of responsibility. It stated, ‘compensation in line with NZTR’s policy,’ which historically will be meagre when applied to the actual cost. Typically the Saundry article talks mostly about vaccine passes, moving from red to orange traffic lights, and border crossings – all issues relevant to racing but sweating the small stuff compared to a premier meeting abandonment due to mismanagement. NZTR had 36-hours prior warning the racing surface at Trentham might present a problem, but it failed to take the appropriate action. ‘Racing and Breeding News’ reported that trainer Alan Sharrock phoned stipendiary steward Neil Goodwin after Thursday’s abandonment of the last four races at New Plymouth as he knew the forecast predicted weekend rain for Trentham. He also stated he phoned his brother Bruce, the Chief Operating Officer at NZTR, who informed Saundry. Concern expressed about the state of the track to Chief Stipendiary Steward Last Thursday, Trentham experienced hot weather, but only 8mls of water went on the track that night compared to 34mls over two or three days at Matamata. On Saturday morning after 11mls of overnight and morning rain, a track inspection by several senior jockeys prompted one to express concern about the state of the track to Chief Stipendiary Steward, John Oatham. He reputedly responded by digging his heel into the track’s surface and walking away without saying a word. In the only race of the day, most of the field experienced slipping during the run, although only two gained a mention for doing so in the Stewards’ Report. Michael McNab’s mount Dragon Biscuit cast both front plates with the rider experiencing slipping in the back straight. Two other runners took no part. How many jockeys kept hold of the horse’s head just to negotiate the 1400 metres in a vertical position – quite a few, I would suggest? The running of the race clearly endangered the safety of the horses and jockeys and contravened the standards set out in the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015. The stewards and the NZTR board are fortunate that no incident, injury, or death occurred during the one race, as failing to meet health/safety standards can result in severe penalties, even jail. If a senior jockey or deputation of jockeys expresses concerns about the safety of a track, it should be enough for the stewards to thoroughly investigate the problem before proceeding with the meeting. Report ordered from Turf Consultants Saundry has ordered a report from the NZ Sports Turf Institute (NZSTI) who claim expertise on golf courses and bowling greens on their website, but no mention of horseracing. As agronomists and graduates from Lincoln University, they are experts in plants and soil, so what gems of wisdom can they offer NZTR along with their big, fat invoice. As well, the Racing Integrity Board (RIB), formerly known as the RIU (Unit), which a few years ago cost racing less than $6 million annually, but now has a budget of $14 million, will also furnish a full report, according to Saundry. Why, because the Abandonment Protocols paper demands it: 2.0 RIU Race Meeting Incident Reports If an incident has occurred or a hazard has been identified at a race meeting, the Chairman of Stewards must, on the day of the meeting, complete the RIU Race Meeting Incident Report (in the form attached to these Abandonment Protocols) and forward a copy to nominated staff within NZTR, the RIU and the Club. Racing Minister Robertson appointed the RIB Board earlier this year, and former Deputy Police Commissioner Mike Clement took up the role of Chief Executive on July 1st. Clement has freely admitted he has zero knowledge of racing, so how he qualified for the job is anyone’s guess. Of course, we know all the board positions came from the Minister of Racing (also zero knowledge of racing), so we really do know what prompted them. Reports won’t say anything we don’t know What will these two reports say, you ask? They will exonerate the stewards and NZTR from any blame and point the finger at the track manager, saying he failed to apply the required amount of water to the track in the days leading up to the meeting, and consequently, the rain fell on a very firm track, and the surface became slippery. And that may be true, but will the reports lambast anyone in a position of authority and say the buck stops at the top. I predict not. The NZTR and RIU Race meeting Abandonment Protocols paper can be found at this link: https://loveracing.nz/OnHorseFiles/Downloads/NZTR%20Abandonment%20Protocols%20-%20May%202018.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trentham debacle: the buck stops with NZTR http://www.theoptimist.site/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/2021-12-09.png by Brian de Lore Published 9th December 2021 The Trentham abandonment fiasco on Saturday is yet another example of a racing industry in administrative dishevelment; the failure to get the basics right or even follow its own rules. The two most basic requirements to run a race meeting are to have horses ready to race and a racing surface prepared for that purpose. The trainers did their part and took their horses to Trentham from all parts of the country at great expense to the hundreds upon hundreds of owners who pay for them. But the inability of the Wellington Racing Club/Race Incorporated/NZTR to carry out the most basic of their responsibilities to have a track correctly prepared for safe racing resulted in a monumental fail. Everyone in racing knows that when summer arrives and the tracks get firm, summer rain always has the potential to turn the racing surface into a skating rink. A combination of a competent track manager, common sense, and an eye on the weather forecast usually eliminates potential problems. That happened on Saturday at Matamata, but not Trentham. The problem occurs every year – though not usually at a premier meeting with several important group races – and the track manager gets chained into the stocks before he’s hung out to dry. Once the level of vilification has satisfied the powers that be, and the blame’s placed squarely upon one or two heads, the industry moves on before the same problem rears its ugly head again the following year. The ambulance at the bottom of the cliff The ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is a recurring theme for NZTR. In a document named ‘NZTR and RIU Race Meeting Abandonment Protocols,’ dated May 2018, the narrative covers only the procedures to be followed in the event of abandonment. It does not provide any pre-race day checks and balances procedures to mitigate the risk on the days leading up to the meeting. So, if the track manager has a bad week, has taken his eye off the ball, potentially lost interest in the job, or even received a coercive phone call from a trainer looking for a particular type of going, the ingredients for a fail come into play. By Saturday morning, it’s too late, the damage irreparable. NZTR is mostly to blame for Saturday’s abandonment, and the buck stops with CEO Bernard Saundry. He needs to front up and make that admission and fully apologise to all affected parties and provide a refund to the extent of $1,500 per horse (average) and not one likely to be a fraction of that amount. The Annual Report shows NZTR held back $10 million, so the money is there to pay it. As well as the costs of horse transport – the commercial price of floating a Pukekohe-Trentham return is now $850 to $900 – you add accommodation for trainers and staff, airfares, meals, and petrol for those who drove. Midnight Mass, the favourite in the one and only race, will not be refunded, though, because it raced, nor will the punters who made it favourite even though the jockey had concerns about letting its head go. Owners drove from Winton to Trentham And then the story of the two owners who drove to Wellington from Winton in Southland thinking they would see their horse run in the Captain Cook Stakes. Petrol, the ferry crossing, two nights in a hotel, and on arrival at Trentham’s race day office, got the news that they had run out of racebooks and the issuing of owners’ drinks tickets had discontinued at the WRC due to COVID. “Note from Bernard Saundry” in this week’s Raceform devoted only the first four paragraphs to the abandonment and didn’t go as far as an apology or an acceptance of responsibility. It stated, ‘compensation in line with NZTR’s policy,’ which historically will be meagre when applied to the actual cost. Typically the Saundry article talks mostly about vaccine passes, moving from red to orange traffic lights, and border crossings – all issues relevant to racing but sweating the small stuff compared to a premier meeting abandonment due to mismanagement. NZTR had 36-hours prior warning the racing surface at Trentham might present a problem, but it failed to take the appropriate action. ‘Racing and Breeding News’ reported that trainer Alan Sharrock phoned stipendiary steward Neil Goodwin after Thursday’s abandonment of the last four races at New Plymouth as he knew the forecast predicted weekend rain for Trentham. He also stated he phoned his brother Bruce, the Chief Operating Officer at NZTR, who informed Saundry. Concern expressed about the state of the track to Chief Stipendiary Steward Last Thursday, Trentham experienced hot weather, but only 8mls of water went on the track that night compared to 34mls over two or three days at Matamata. On Saturday morning after 11mls of overnight and morning rain, a track inspection by several senior jockeys prompted one to express concern about the state of the track to Chief Stipendiary Steward, John Oatham. He reputedly responded by digging his heel into the track’s surface and walking away without saying a word. In the only race of the day, most of the field experienced slipping during the run, although only two gained a mention for doing so in the Stewards’ Report. Michael McNab’s mount Dragon Biscuit cast both front plates with the rider experiencing slipping in the back straight. Two other runners took no part. How many jockeys kept hold of the horse’s head just to negotiate the 1400 metres in a vertical position – quite a few, I would suggest? The running of the race clearly endangered the safety of the horses and jockeys and contravened the standards set out in the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015. The stewards and the NZTR board are fortunate that no incident, injury, or death occurred during the one race, as failing to meet health/safety standards can result in severe penalties, even jail. If a senior jockey or deputation of jockeys expresses concerns about the safety of a track, it should be enough for the stewards to thoroughly investigate the problem before proceeding with the meeting. Report ordered from Turf Consultants Saundry has ordered a report from the NZ Sports Turf Institute (NZSTI) who claim expertise on golf courses and bowling greens on their website, but no mention of horseracing. As agronomists and graduates from Lincoln University, they are experts in plants and soil, so what gems of wisdom can they offer NZTR along with their big, fat invoice. As well, the Racing Integrity Board (RIB), formerly known as the RIU (Unit), which a few years ago cost racing less than $6 million annually, but now has a budget of $14 million, will also furnish a full report, according to Saundry. Why, because the Abandonment Protocols paper demands it: 2.0 RIU Race Meeting Incident Reports If an incident has occurred or a hazard has been identified at a race meeting, the Chairman of Stewards must, on the day of the meeting, complete the RIU Race Meeting Incident Report (in the form attached to these Abandonment Protocols) and forward a copy to nominated staff within NZTR, the RIU and the Club. Racing Minister Robertson appointed the RIB Board earlier this year, and former Deputy Police Commissioner Mike Clement took up the role of Chief Executive on July 1st. Clement has freely admitted he has zero knowledge of racing, so how he qualified for the job is anyone’s guess. Of course, we know all the board positions came from the Minister of Racing (also zero knowledge of racing), so we really do know what prompted them. Reports won’t say anything we don’t know What will these two reports say, you ask? They will exonerate the stewards and NZTR from any blame and point the finger at the track manager, saying he failed to apply the required amount of water to the track in the days leading up to the meeting, and consequently, the rain fell on a very firm track, and the surface became slippery. And that may be true, but will the reports lambast anyone in a position of authority and say the buck stops at the top. I predict not. The NZTR and RIU Race meeting Abandonment Protocols paper can be found at this link: https://loveracing.nz/OnHorseFiles/Downloads/NZTR%20Abandonment%20Protocols%20-%20May%202018.pdf
Joe Bloggs Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 IMO De Lore's a paper tiger, whilst I agree with most of his musings he has no traction at all, nada, zilch, nothing ever happens, it just rolls on, and on and on and on and on....nothing will ever happen, the Cartel runs racing there we all know that, what they say goes and Saundry is an overpaid buffoon that was adept enough to realise, take the fools money and run.....the times come to run and you'll see a pale, stale little male run like Usain Bolt.......next please...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Great fields for both of those two group races that were xfered to Te Rape , and the spelling for Te Rapa is correct , because that is exactly how the CD racing is being treated , but as i said last week this is exactly what the northern racing fraternity want going forward . Playing out perfectly for them . I wonder what the new or prospective new leader of NZTR is thinking , having second thoughts perhaps . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: IMO De Lore's a paper tiger, whilst I agree with most of his musings he has no traction at all, nada, zilch, nothing ever happens, it just rolls on, and on and on and on and on....nothing will ever happen, the Cartel runs racing there we all know that, what they say goes and Saundry is an overpaid buffoon that was adept enough to realise, take the fools money and run.....the times come to run and you'll see a pale, stale little male run like Usain Bolt.......next please...... What do you expect him to do? Have a one man picket outside TAB HQ. At least he keeps those running racing into the ground under some sort of surveillance, otherwise who knows what they would get away with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, nomates said: Great fields for both of those two group races that were xfered to Te Rape , and the spelling for Te Rapa is correct , because that is exactly how the CD racing is being treated , but as i said last week this is exactly what the northern racing fraternity want going forward . Playing out perfectly for them . I wonder what the new or prospective new leader of NZTR is thinking , having second thoughts perhaps . The Wakefield is an interesting case. I'm sure it was only one poor field away from being downgraded. Does a decent field at Te Rapa save the race for another year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doomed said: What do you expect him to do? Have a one man picket outside TAB HQ. At least he keeps those running racing into the ground under some sort of surveillance, otherwise who knows what they would get away with. He's been in the industry since Moses played full forward for Bethlehem. You'd think by now he would have garnished considerable support, as I said I agree with most of his postings, but he's closer to it than I, we pulled 14 horses from the system over there, thats putting our case isn't it? and wrote to the fools at NZTR and told them so....and why!!! If others followed suit, or instituted their own protest then racing admin would have to take notice.....or they'd have no job, .......Brian States facts, well the stakeholders need to act on those facts, and Brian knowing as many people as he does surely could do more.......he doesn't want to, obviously, he's probably over it all....like hundreds of us, unfortunately in doing what we did certain trainers lost out financially, and we hated doing that, but NZTR were sending us to the poorhouse, while gobbling their obscene, disgusting salaries....and we [Missus and I ] aren't Robinson Crusoes......I've had my say, and it's my opinion....FWIW. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Doomed said: The Wakefield is an interesting case. I'm sure it was only one poor field away from being downgraded. Does a decent field at Te Rapa save the race for another year? Probably a goner? Wellington RC, Wakefield Challenge Stakes (G2). The rating of 98 was well below the 102 tolerance threshold and 105 benchmark. The race lacked depth in this season’s edition, with the top 4 starters as opposed to finishers yielding no improvement. It was noted that the race had also failed the 102 threshold in the prior season with an 100.5 rating but that the impact of Covid had meant this had been disregarded. An Alert was imposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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