Here we go again!

[Joe Bloggs]

On 12/20/2021 at 3:20 PM, Chief Stipe said:

So the scumbag excuse for a journalist Peter Profit is making up shit?

I see Johnny Nevits has a start in race 5 at Ashburton on Thursday.

Hey Chief, have you read Pete's/Brenden's headline today? Re the rumour a major NZ stable with barns in both Islands has a positive to EPO? How does he know that? Is he making it up? Will he be sued? Whats next?

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Hey Chief, have you read Pete's/Brenden's headline today? Re the rumour a major NZ stable with barns in both Islands has a positive to EPO? How does he know that? Is he making it up? Will he be sued? Whats next?

For a start it is a "rumour" and no doubt the article is all based on innuendo, inference and supposition.

The trainer wouldn't have been named so how can anyone sue the scumbag excuse for a journalist?  That said the inference given the clues is one stable in particular.

As for the assertion that there has been a positive test to EPO then it would be a major coup for the NZ RIB given that positive tests to Human EPO in horses is a very rare event.  When was the last one anywhere in the world?

If there has been a positive then surely there would be an announcement from the RIB?  If there has then someone is still leaking from the RIB.

[Chief Stipe]

A snake caught in a wagon rut aka Peter Profit aka Archie Butterfly aka Brenden Sheehan.

 

 

[Chief Stipe]

There is some wild speculation going on about this.  Looks like Profit has been fed a line of information that is dubious to say the least.  For those that don't know:

• a syringe is NOT a needle.  A syringe can be used to dispense a measured amount of anything that flows such as medication, vitamins or food additives.  A needle can be attached to the syringe to inject a wide range of substances;
• it appears that the RIB were alerted to the presence of a syringe by a third party trainer.  That trainer has now retracted their statement(s);
• it isn't clear if any substances were administered on raceday by syringe/needle or otherwise;
• as far as can be ascertained the amount bet on Johnny Nevits hardly constitutes a "betting plunge";
• no subsequent raids occurred nor as yet have any charges been laid.

It would appear that there is an undercurrent of misinformation which is being fuelled by a small group of individuals.  More on that later.  Some have cast aspersions on Bensons Mate's performance at Motukarara where it finished last but haven't noted that it broke twice in the running at close to the same spot on the track. 

 

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

That trainer has now retracted their statement(s);

Appears the retraction is nothing more than a rumour even though reported in the media.

Rome burns.

[Robalan]

You're well informed on the matter Chief. Have you been talking to someone. I see Jones has got another horse scratched, this time at Rangiora tomorrow.

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Robalan said:

You're well informed on the matter Chief. Have you been talking to someone. I see Jones has got another horse scratched, this time at Rangiora tomorrow.

No more or less than the so called Journalists.  However applying common-sense and a bit of horse training knowledge and one must get close to a plausible story.

As I posted earlier how long does it take to find enough evidence to lay a charge?  

What horse was scratched at Rangiora?

[Robalan]

Fine By Me

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, Robalan said:

Fine By Me

Do we know who scratched it?  It's racing status is "clear".

Only Johnny Nevits is stood down.

I really hoped that the new RIB regime would see a change for the better but so far it isn't looking promising!

[Robalan]

I don't know, but it just seemed strange to me. I understand Jones will face changes. These things take time. Maybe the horse was scratched by the trainer

[Chief Stipe]

12 hours ago, Robalan said:

I understand Jones will face changes. These things take time.

If you "understand" then you must be privy to information that hasn't been made public.  Now if there is already a case to answer why haven't charges been laid?  Why do "these things take time"?  It isn't as if the RIB don't have considerable resources and capacity at hand to do the job quickly.  

[Robalan]

Look at the time it took to charge Mitchell Kerr

[Gammalite]

58 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

  Now if there is already a case to answer why haven't charges been laid?  Why do "these things take time"? 

You need physical evidence Chief. Hard to make a case on 'hearsay' .or what people think they saw. I believe the witness has changed their statement anyway. so how do you proceed after that?

Would be better to let them race .(McGrath , Alford and others that want to tube, inject , floss or dope a horse and penalise them on the LAB findings from Blood and urine results .

Good, Hard, Positive, 'Can't deny a thing' evidence.  then penalise them. easier on everyone that way. 

(example being , you might have a syringe in your hand to squirt something into the horses mouth that is not illegal so someone trying to rat you out , because you are on a 'shared' property , could be wrong with accusations)

Edited December 31, 2021 by Gammalite

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Robalan said:

Look at the time it took to charge Mitchell Kerr

Still wrong whatever the outcome.  The Kerr case is hardly a fair comparison.  Kerr committed fraud and the time to prove that could have been substantially shortened if HRNZ had proper ownership checks and balances in place.

Justice should be swift - not a fishing exercise by the Prosecutor where they use their considerable powers to break people financially and emotionally.  

What is the official reason for Johnny Nevits not being allowed to race?  Has a positive been returned?  Have the Trainer and Owners been given a reason?  If they have, have they been gagged?

Will it go on as long as the Wigg episode has?

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

You need physical evidence Chief. Hard to make a case on 'hearsay' .or what people think they saw. I believe the witness has changed their statement anyway. so how do you proceed after that?

It is speculation what the witness has actually said as is what has subsequently happened to the statement.  If there is still insufficient evidence to lay charges and the swab tests are clear  then Johnny Nevits should be allowed to race.

 

[Chief Stipe]

I see Johnny Nevits status has been changed to Clear to Race.

[Chief Stipe]

On 31/12/2021 at 11:29 AM, Chief Stipe said:

There is some wild speculation going on about this.  Looks like Profit has been fed a line of information that is dubious to say the least.  For those that don't know:

• a syringe is NOT a needle.  A syringe can be used to dispense a measured amount of anything that flows such as medication, vitamins or food additives.  A needle can be attached to the syringe to inject a wide range of substances;
• it appears that the RIB were alerted to the presence of a syringe by a third party trainer.  That trainer has now retracted their statement(s);
• it isn't clear if any substances were administered on raceday by syringe/needle or otherwise;
• as far as can be ascertained the amount bet on Johnny Nevits hardly constitutes a "betting plunge";
• no subsequent raids occurred nor as yet have any charges been laid.

It would appear that there is an undercurrent of misinformation which is being fuelled by a small group of individuals.  More on that later.  Some have cast aspersions on Bensons Mate's performance at Motukarara where it finished last but haven't noted that it broke twice in the running at close to the same spot on the track. 

 

Bensons Mate has been stood down after breaking again in its last start and needs to trial.  Nothing sinister in that as this happens often with horses.  The horse appeared to pace roughly on the same part of the track as its previous start i.e. on the final bend when appearing to be full of running.  Perhaps it just needs some fine tuning gear or shoeing wise.

  

[Chief Stipe]

Benson's Mate trialled Wednesday at Rangiora.  Won its trial and now all clear to race.

 

[the galah]

On 1/01/2022 at 10:55 AM, Chief Stipe said:

Will it go on as long as the Wigg episode has?

So whats the circumstances around the stewards scratching another Wigg horse the other night?

Seems rather strange that it happens when they have the older matter still pending,or has that been dealt with. Does it mean they have done something they aren't supposed to again?

Edited February 20, 2022 by the galah

[Taku Umanga]

8 hours ago, the galah said:

So whats the circumstances around the stewards scratching another Wigg horse the other night?

Seems rather strange that it happens when they have the older matter still pending,or has that been dealt with. Does it mean they have done something they aren't supposed to again?

Have been told she's copped a 2 year ban, though nothing published as far as I can see.  Was supposed to be driving in amateur race at Rangiora on Saturday but was replaced.  Again, nothing in stipes report about that.

[the galah]

4 hours ago, Taku Umanga said:

Have been told she's copped a 2 year ban, though nothing published as far as I can see.  Was supposed to be driving in amateur race at Rangiora on Saturday but was replaced.  Again, nothing in stipes report about that.

Sounds like a lack of transparency.

So people are left to guess why the stipes ordered the withdrawal of her horse the other night. Maybe you've explained why,but no clarification  from authorities.

[Chief Stipe]

8 hours ago, Taku Umanga said:

Have been told she's copped a 2 year ban, though nothing published as far as I can see.  Was supposed to be driving in amateur race at Rangiora on Saturday but was replaced.  Again, nothing in stipes report about that.

So the leaks continue.  I see on the HRNZ site she still has a license to drive at Trials and an advanced amateur license.  No longer has a license to train.  If she had copped a two year ban wouldn't she have no licenses?

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So the leaks continue.  I see on the HRNZ site she still has a license to drive at Trials and an advanced amateur license.  No longer has a license to train.  If she had copped a two year ban wouldn't she have no licenses?

I had the same thought and checked that as well,but maybe they just haven't updated it.Its a possible explanation as to why the horse happy place was scratched by the stewards last week,but who knows. 

The lack of transparency is  poor. Are they trying to hide something? It just fuels speculation. 

[Chief Stipe]

At this stage if the information that I have received is correct then I have no option but to close down the discussion on this matter.  I rarely do that but in these circumstances I think it is in everyone's best interest if I do.

In the fullness of time I may reopen the discussion.

Thanks.