LongOwner Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I attach party of a JCA ruling for Galloping and COLBALT and it is again so inconsistent when compared with Harness decisions . A) The IRU said fine should be $11k and JCA awards $6k B) Reference to the IRU should of flagged the previous high colbalt reading to the trainer! Now think Dunn & Burrows- 1) IRU suggested $6 k by memory for the Dunn case and JCA near treble that fine - JCA loose on appeal . Also a minute caffeine v’s colbalt the substance in the galloper should be double fine ! 2) Burrows - Never warned / told about first Kava test then get 2 kava positives for an approved licences bet tonic .Same as galloping circumstances but surely colbalt v’s kava is meths v’s lemonade ! 3) Burrows small 3 horse team and trainers honest as the day is long get fined $5 + $5 k then appeal and get another $1 k so $11 k for a supplement recommend at a horse shop to calm nerves . A fine nearly twice a high profile galloping partnership who gets cobalt ! All we ask is for consistency but the inconsistencies continue. Why do we have JCA anyway they are making some strange calls and appeals are going against their original decision - ie Jewels Drivers Fines - regularly ! Also, it is the costing the sport huge money in overhead ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 Apologies spelling & grammar - the site bounced me on correcting the posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 How inconsistent is this fine Harness versus Gallops 1) Harness bi carb 1st offence & proof not tubed - fined - $12,000 2) Galloper trainers 1st offence Cobalt - fined - $6,000 Do gallopers recieve lower fines - not fair and not equal . Surely each code should have same penalties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Ask Thomas the resident expert on RIU/JCA inconsistencies. At least the Harness horses get tested for TCO2 in BOTH islands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 So his Mrs said she most likely administered baking soda to the horses food??? Oh deary me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 19 hours ago, Noodlum said: Ask Thomas the resident expert on RIU/JCA inconsistencies. At least the Harness horses get tested for TCO2 in BOTH islands. Thomas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: So his Mrs said she most likely administered baking soda to the horses food??? Oh deary me And his partner is Lydia Pickford, the galloping trainer, so it was someone who should have known what she was doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Still doesn’t explain the gallop $6 k fine versus harness Burrows fine and baking soda first offence $12k Cobalt is in the public eye a far more serious drug but galloping trainer gets half what RIU suggest and credit for not been warned off by the RIU as last test was getting close ! Burrows charged twice and fine double but RIU admit they possibly should of told them of first Kava positive! This is not consistent- are gallops treated differently? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Still doesn’t explain the gallop $6 k fine versus harness Burrows fine and baking soda first offence $12k Cobalt is in the public eye a far more serious drug but galloping trainer gets half what RIU suggest and credit for not been warned off by the RIU as last test was getting close ! Burrows charged twice and fine double but RIU admit they possibly should of told them of first Kava positive! This is not consistent- are gallops treated differently? big fines for smaller trainers to not consistent at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Another gallop soft fine - $1,400 each - yep below RIU recommendation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I hope Lovey Dovey Moment gets tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I hope Lovey Dovey Moment gets tested. Lovey Dovey Moment has always shown ability. I lost money on it early on. Hasn't been firing lately but got punted on fixed odds at its last start. Now it goes and wins..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 I have posted a similar line in the Galloping Chat and to my surprise they tell me the JCA fines/penalty quidelines and set by the ruling body . So the JCA is not an independent body and two identical cases the galloper can get a $5 k fine and harness $10 k fine - surely this shouldn’t be ! The JCA should be fully independent and not puppets to the governing body and why slam harness v’s galloping. Is HRNZ judge and jury plus trying to destroy every trainer in NZ . Who gave them the mandate to treble penalties for the harness code v’s galloper ? Both race horses , both bet on and both subject to doping surely for transparency and public perception penalties should be the same . Harness big finds get in the paper gallopers never reported on so makes out to the public harness are just big cheats . JCA should be 100% independent ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 17 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Lovey Dovey Moment has always shown ability. I lost money on it early on. Hasn't been firing lately but got punted on fixed odds at its last start. Now it goes and wins..... agree happy,has always shown it can run a bit, its problem has been going rough under pressure, and throwing away its winning chances many times with a gallop. The stipes report noted the driver advised the addition of toe weights had helped its balance, also reporting it had still been a little rough in patches. That stable are always to be respected and J keast a very good driver. Long owner, my take is you have highlighted that gallops are too soft, and the harness side have got it right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, the galah said: The stipes report noted the driver advised the addition of toe weights had helped its balance I have always wondered if that sort of thing should be notified before the race. If I knew something like that I would have punted Lovey. I don't get why some trainers tell the stipes they will drive the horse for one sprint etc but they don't bother with other things like shoeing. I suppose it would just get all too much. But if you are asked why the sudden improvement in a performance of a horse by the stipes then maybe one should be declaring it. Don't know. The status quo where nobody really cares is easiest and I suppose the easiest way is most often the best way for the majority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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