Oh Deary Me!

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Turny said:

So they almost break 11s for the last 3 furlongs and the pony that sat 3 wide for the entire race misses by a nose.

But they cantered the first 7 furlongs and sprinted home.  

[mumbles]

If he had gone back with the sprint home he wouldn't have been anywhere near them at the finish

Top run with no luck.

[Turny]

3 minutes ago, mumbles said:

If he had gone back with the sprint home he wouldn't have been anywhere near them at the finish

Top run with no luck.

Not so, he could have rested out the back and improved on the slow pace knowing it was a sprint from the 600 which it turned out to be.

Just a shocking *do nothing ride* and gets off with hothing, meantime pu ters burned - NZ racing is amatuer hour stuff and another classic example this BS

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Turny said:

Not so, he could have rested out the back and improved on the slow pace knowing it was a sprint from the 600 which it turned out to be.

Improved from what point?  Going back on a slow pace is not an option.  

[Joe Bloggs]

25 minutes ago, mumbles said:

If he had gone back with the sprint home he wouldn't have been anywhere near them at the finish

Top run with no luck.

That's why he should have gone forward FFS, they were doing evens!!! My old Boss would have kicked my arse til my teeth rattled if I sat out here doing pacework, experience should have told him they were going to sprint home and 2 inside him and the leaders were having a bludge, when you do your dough you become very subjective, like Turny, KITK, me and hundreds of others......she might have been cooked, I'm going easy on her now after those two slaughters, I bet she slept well in her bed last night.

[Joe Bloggs]

37 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So I express an alternative opinion as the reason for your hard luck story?

Note that opinion would have been the presented as a reasonable explanation if the Jockey had been questioned by the Stipes.  He wasn't. 

As I posted earlier if it had been NZ Harness then the Stipes would have questioned his decision making even betting records would have been analysed.

As @Joe Bloggs has pointed out in OZ questions would have been asked and there have been a number of examples recently where JMac has been literally interrogated for his decision making.  Arguably he being one of the best Jocks on the planet at this time.

Perhaps you should now direct your ire at the Stipes who in my opinion are doing nothing to improve riding standards hence the carnage we are seeing.  Horses are getting galloped on constantly because there is no pace in races.  Surely a Jockey who slows a race to a canter in a Group race should have questions asked of them.

 

My mate emailed the [NZ] stewards once, ranting about the ride on one he owned, no reply, so he went again, no reply, so he rang them, one steward gave him lip service, my mate told him he wouldn't race another, the young steward was not interested......the race was at Oamaru, there was one steward working that day......my mate was true to his word, he never raced another, he owned 3 cafes in SYD and one in NZ....he was cashed up, the industry needed owners like him, he'll race another, I''l make him, but it will be here in Oz.......sadly.

[mumbles]

6 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

That's why he should have gone forward FFS, they were doing evens!!! My old Boss would have kicked my arse til my teeth rattled if I sat out here doing pacework, experience should have told him they were going to sprint home and 2 inside him and the leaders were having a bludge, when you do your dough you become very subjective, like Turny, KITK, me and hundreds of others......she might have been cooked, I'm going easy on her now after those two slaughters, I bet she slept well in her bed last night.

My old mate(ex jockey) says he should have gone forward and slowed them down.Does that sound right.

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

That's why he should have gone forward FFS, they were doing evens!!!

Good - progress as we are down to one option now.  Gone forward and injected some pace into the race and turned it into a true staying competition.  Then we would have seen if she was Caulfield Cup material.

[Turny]

5 minutes ago, mumbles said:

My old mate(ex jockey) says he should have gone forward and slowed them down.Does that sound right.

Was an option as was going back, but he did nothing and that was the bad ride

[Joe Bloggs]

5 minutes ago, mumbles said:

My old mate(ex jockey) says he should have gone forward and slowed them down.Does that sound right.

Or at least sat a half behind the leader...she is tractable, doesn't pull or reef, she's the real deal, but as I said Mumbles, she might be cooked now, for this prep at least......unless we have another Showgate and GT scenario? if that's the case Rogie will go again next week.........at least GT had a plethora of top riders to choose from, in those days we were blessed, nowadays we are cursed......you agree?

[Joe Bloggs]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Good - progress as we are down to one option now.  Gone forward and injected some pace into the race and turned it into a true staying competition.  Then we would have seen if she was Caulfield Cup material.

See my reply to Mumbles......

[mumbles]

Lets imagine that every horse gets the run they wanted,then the trainers would have no excuses for poor runs and we would find out very quickly who could train a horse and who couldn't.

[Joe Bloggs]

1 minute ago, mumbles said:

Lets imagine that every horse gets the run they wanted,then the trainers would have no excuses for poor runs and we would find out very quickly who could train a horse and who couldn't.

Absolutely!.....in a perfect world.

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Or at least sat a half behind the leader...she is tractable, doesn't pull or reef, she's the real deal, but as I said Mumbles, she might be cooked now, for this prep at least......unless we have another Showgate and GT scenario? if that's the case Rogie will go again next week.........at least GT had a plethora of top riders to choose from, in those days we were blessed, nowadays we are cursed......you agree?

Have another look at race without the commentary.  She did try to glide forward to get one off but each time the horse inside moved with her to keep her out.

It wasn't that hard a race on her - a canter and a sprint home.  

[Joe Bloggs]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Have another look at race without the commentary.  She did try to glide forward to get one off but each time the horse inside moved with her to keep her out.

It wasn't that hard a race on her - a canter and a sprint home.  

In your own words, they were cantering, if he'd wanted to go forward all he needed to do was put her in 2nd gear, if she wasn't having her 3rd start in a month I would agree with you, but Rogie takes no prisoners, this lass is doing serious gaol time and I just hope she gets parole before she's gutted big time.

[mumbles]

14 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

In your own words, they were cantering, if he'd wanted to go forward all he needed to do was put her in 2nd gear, if she wasn't having her 3rd start in a month I would agree with you, but Rogie takes no prisoners, this lass is doing serious gaol time and I just hope she gets parole before she's gutted big time.

Hasn't got a track record of giving parole.Might have to serve all of her sentence.Can think of a couple of his that are going around now who should be out.Both showed a wee bit earlier on.

[nomates]

There is so much wrong with the quality of our jocks , for the majority race tactics is a foreign word , but to understand how poor the majority of our jocks are you simply have to watch a field turning for home , where most of the jockeys are asking their horses to wind up and sprint , only one problem , most of them have their horses on the wrong fucken leg . 

Happens every race , come round the bend horses trying to sprint around and on one reign because the jockey hasn't got the horse balanced onto the correct leg before asking them to go . One of the most important aspects of riding a horse in a race , balance , but most can't don't get it , but sadly don't seem to care .

Watched countless times yesterday on one of our biggest days when our best horses and jocks are supposed to show they're ability , many are lacking and doing they're horses a disservice .

When OPB and Allpress are gone who is going to replace them , god knows , the premiership will be won by the best of a ragtag mob .

[Chief Stipe]

15 minutes ago, nomates said:

When OPB and Allpress are gone who is going to replace them , god knows , the premiership will be won by the best of a ragtag mob

Opie is streets ahead of most of them.  Allpress is a kind Jockey and would have had to have been focussed on getting around safe.

 

[billy connolly]

45 minutes ago, nomates said:

There is so much wrong with the quality of our jocks , for the majority race tactics is a foreign word , but to understand how poor the majority of our jocks are you simply have to watch a field turning for home

The trainers are as bad for not seeing how incompetent many of these John Wayne's are, a blind man could see that Elliot murdered Levante yet Kelso couldn't.

Elliot also asked plenty of Concert Hall but got away with it.

[nomates]

10 minutes ago, billy connolly said:

The trainers are as bad for not seeing how incompetent many of these John Wayne's are, a blind man could see that Elliot murdered Levante yet Kelso couldn't.

Elliot also asked plenty of Concert Hall but got away with it.

I agree about Elliot on Levante , complete shambles of a ride , had Bosson on the rail boxed , allowed him off , then he had OPB's tail , exactly what Kelso wanted , but Elliot panicked and took off around which completely nulified the mares sprint , now he may well have still finished 2nd but jesus it was ugly . As for Concert Hall as soon as he went i thought he's forgotten he's going 2400 and he gave the fav a perfect drag but fortunately the mares class saw it thru , my money went on on Thurs at 4.5 and boy i was worried , James said as much himself .

As for the trainers being incompetent , well having spoken to a couple and as they say " what do i do " , bollock them they cry , and who do you replace them with , OPB is nearly always tied to TA as is Johnson , Innes rides when he feels it , namely specific trainers or his money is on , but even then he makes plenty of mistakes .

Kelso went from Elliot to Sam Collet and back to Elliot , both have cost this mare big wins , but really they are all much of a muchness . One of the reasons i don't train or really own here anymore , can spend plenty of cash and time just to watch couldn't care less riders cock things up . 

[Huey]

2 hours ago, nomates said:

I agree about Elliot on Levante , complete shambles of a ride , had Bosson on the rail boxed , allowed him off , then he had OPB's tail , exactly what Kelso wanted , but Elliot panicked and took off around which completely nulified the mares sprint , now he may well have still finished 2nd but jesus it was ugly . As for Concert Hall as soon as he went i thought he's forgotten he's going 2400 and he gave the fav a perfect drag but fortunately the mares class saw it thru , my money went on on Thurs at 4.5 and boy i was worried , James said as much himself .

As for the trainers being incompetent , well having spoken to a couple and as they say " what do i do " , bollock them they cry , and who do you replace them with , OPB is nearly always tied to TA as is Johnson , Innes rides when he feels it , namely specific trainers or his money is on , but even then he makes plenty of mistakes .

Kelso went from Elliot to Sam Collet and back to Elliot , both have cost this mare big wins , but really they are all much of a muchness . One of the reasons i don't train or really own here anymore , can spend plenty of cash and time just to watch couldn't care less riders cock things up . 

You think it's bad for them, then just look at what the little guy has to put up with.

[Huey]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Opie is streets ahead of most of them.  Allpress is a kind Jockey and would have had to have been focussed on getting around safe.

 

I only back OP if he is on a TA horse or riding one after he finished his TA rides for the day  , especially if big Dave is there to meet him in the birdcage. 

[Chief Stipe]

I shifted the NZTR Consultation Document discussion to its own Topic.  

 

[nomates]

While O’Sullivan was pleased to see his apprentice receive a just reward, overall, he is concerned with the standard of riding in New Zealand that be believes is at an all-time low.

“Right now, I don’t think it has been worse for the industry as a whole,” he said.

“If you took out the top half dozen senior riders, we are in pretty poor shape.

“Some of the riding you see is very very bad and things like tactical appreciation, judgement of pace and positioning in a field can be quite woeful.

 

Seems we are not too far off the track in our thoughts , but i ask when L O'Sullivan is saying that in public as others have WTF is being done to address the issue .

[Huey]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

While O’Sullivan was pleased to see his apprentice receive a just reward, overall, he is concerned with the standard of riding in New Zealand that be believes is at an all-time low.

“Right now, I don’t think it has been worse for the industry as a whole,” he said.

“If you took out the top half dozen senior riders, we are in pretty poor shape.

“Some of the riding you see is very very bad and things like tactical appreciation, judgement of pace and positioning in a field can be quite woeful.

 

Seems we are not too far off the track in our thoughts , but i ask when L O'Sullivan is saying that in public as others have WTF is being done to address the issue .

Wonder what the Riding Masters think of that?