Jamie Richards

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Shall we beat about the ROI bush?

Don't you use the ROI metric for the Trainer?

3 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

and what happens to all the TA horses in SING?........or NZ for that matter, shall I go on? I'd like to see their welfare policy up front and personal on their website?

Why?  Is that one of your rating metrics?  Which Trainers are the exemplar in this respect?

[Joe Bloggs]

Nah, your twisting and turning again, it's about TA and we know who pulls the strings there, so what happened to all those slow horses? and what happened to them in the past?  and don't shove they go up to KL and race at the Selangor TC, those poor buggers are one run away from the bullet......I want to hear from Fence and Trellis and bought by Dave as to the welfare program, and what return on investment has been returned to share holders en masse...

If big Dave or the Fence reads this I'd love to hear from them. As they are the biggest fish in your very small pond they wield a lot of influence, therefore what they do is extremely important.

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

.I want to hear from Fence and Trellis and bought by Dave as to the welfare program, and what return on investment has been returned to share holders en masse

What about the same from:

Murray Baker
Go Racing
Fortuna
Waterhouse
Waller
Maher
Etc.

I just had a quick look at the 2016 NZB Premier Sale - do you know how many class horses came out of that sale? I can only count 4 at most.

27 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

If big Dave or the Fence reads this I'd love to hear from them. As they are the biggest fish in your very small pond they wield a lot of influence, therefore what they do is extremely important.

Why does that mean different standards to OZ?  

Do YOU look after your horses for their lifetime?  How many have YOU sent to the knackers?

[Joe Bloggs]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Do YOU look after your horses for their lifetime?  How many have YOU sent to the knackers?

Yes yes yes! we made it our mantra that we search out the best home's we can find, and unfortunately one of our trainers let us down as they advised they had found a great home for one only to have her turn up on facebook a few months later.

We had to get the racecourse investigator involved in one incident and that was resolved, but only because they knew we would go to the media....when you're 3K away and trust people you can be vulnerable, however never ever once did we send one to the knacker!

 I told you in another post, I spent 12 months sending horses to KL and regret it to this day. As soon as I started living up there my mind set changed, knowing what happens to those poor buggers sickens me, I've sent them to be Police horses in VIC, found homes for the rest at huge expense to us as it's not easy paying up for at least 14 horses at one stage, or it wasn't back in the day, it's tad easier nowadays to find homes for them, thankfully, but syndicators need to be held to account and on all prospects's there should be clear and transparent advice on what their welfare policy is.....I asked a question, if TA has nothing to hide and all syndicators for that matter, Ellis is just one of many, let them be clear with this issue, if they are I will applaud them, ....that's a promise!

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Joe Bloggs said:

but syndicators need to be held to account and on all prospects's there should be clear and transparent advice on what their welfare policy is.....I asked a question, if TA has nothing to hide and all syndicators for that matter, Ellis is just one of many, let them be clear with this issue, if they are I will applaud them, ....that's a promise!

Well that's admirable @Joe Bloggs that all your horses passed away of presumably old age and were given graves to rest in.

Aside from the fact that you are duck dive weaving over the difference in your Ellis vs Richards rating why should syndicators have to do what you suggest?

If they are working within the rules of racing and their shareholders/stakeholders are happy then isn't that enough?  Te Akau don't as yet seem to have any trouble filling their syndicates.

[Joe Bloggs]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well that's admirable @Joe Bloggs that all your horses passed away of presumably old age and were given graves to rest in.

Aside from the fact that you are duck dive weaving over the difference in your Ellis vs Richards rating why should syndicators have to do what you suggest?

If they are working within the rules of racing and their shareholders/stakeholders are happy then isn't that enough?  Te Akau don't as yet seem to have any trouble filling their syndicates.

To each his own Chief, but being facetious is below you....or is it? when it comes to horse welfare there is no room for flippancy. If that's your mantra then whoa betide you fella because sure as hell the Karma bus will come visit......

The Hong Kongers bought in the mandatory horse repat, it took a long time, but they finally saw sense....and decency, SING are still way behind, like they were when I lived in KL and they were part of the Ipoh/Penang/KL/SING circuit......you might not believe in it, but racehorse syndication should have to uphold the most stringent of welfare protocols, and educating newcomers to racing should be paramount. Just because you don't have a conscience is irrelevant, lets hope the governing body gets with the program, otherwise the militant anti-racing groups will have all the ammunition they need, because of people like you.

[Chief Stipe]

17 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

The Hong Kongers bought in the mandatory horse repat

Not surprising.  Where were they going to keep them?  Outer Mongolia?

[Chief Stipe]

17 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Just because you don't have a conscience is irrelevant, lets hope the governing body gets with the program, otherwise the militant anti-racing groups will have all the ammunition they need, because of people like you.

The anti-racing groups have all the ammunition they need regardless of what happens to horses that are too slow or are retired.  However they are a minority which you will never ever appease.  But they are a minority that are having very little impact.  Revenues in OZ are going through the roof and that has nothing to do with whip rules or the virtue signalling of testing horses before ONE race.

Do you struggle every time you eat a steak or have you gone vegan?

Do you say a prayer every time you feed your dog or cat?

Going down the path you propose has only one outcome and ironically it will achieve what the anti-racing mob want - the end of racing.  Why?  It increases costs and creates unmanageable attention and accountability making racing unsustainable.  I guess in the twilight of your racing involvement your conscious will be clear when that happens.

[Joe Bloggs]

51 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The anti-racing groups have all the ammunition they need regardless of what happens to horses that are too slow or are retired.  However they are a minority which you will never ever appease.  But they are a minority that are having very little impact.  Revenues in OZ are going through the roof and that has nothing to do with whip rules or the virtue signalling of testing horses before ONE race.

Do you struggle every time you eat a steak or have you gone vegan?

Do you say a prayer every time you feed your dog or cat?

Going down the path you propose has only one outcome and ironically it will achieve what the anti-racing mob want - the end of racing.  Why?  It increases costs and creates unmanageable attention and accountability making racing unsustainable.  I guess in the twilight of your racing involvement your conscious will be clear when that happens.

Oh my, fortunately I know a huge amount of trainers with a conscience and a good one at that, quite a few had it written in their contract of sale to Asia that the horse was to be repatriated at the conclusion of it's racing life in HK, and a few to SING also, SING is still the killing fields, however, it's good to see a former workmate of mine, Cliff Brown has quite a few of his old string at Kranji now doing well in VIC, not so many in NZ though, that could be fixed really easily if TA AND a few other ex pat Kiwi's and Ozzies came clean as to the whereabouts of all their old soldiers that defied the heat and humidity and did their very best to earn their owners a ROI up there in stinking hot SING......as for your childish churlish comments it does you no service Chief, respecting horses for what they provide us, and in return doing the very best you can for them in retirement should be paramount, and that's what many of us do......one day when and if you ever bend over, muck out, fill a water bucket, put a bridle on, saddle up, leg up, walk and walk, hose down, rub down, bandage if needs be, and give them a pat before you close the stable door, you might, just might get that feeling that most of us do......that everything is good in the world....even if it's only for a little while.......IMO.

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said:

one day when and if you ever bend over, muck out, fill a water bucket, put a bridle on, saddle up, leg up, walk and walk, hose down, rub down, bandage if needs be, and give them a pat before you close the stable door, you might, just might get that feeling that most of us do......that everything is good in the world....even if it's only for a little while.......IMO.

If you feel that way - why race them?  Why bother even breeding them?

[Joe Bloggs]

Oh God almighty man, we do it cos we follow the very mantra I've chanted, you either don't read or don't have the capacity to absorb the content.......I'm finished with this, my head hurts, it's Australia Day, fucking ripper, lamb cutlets [25 bucks a kilo!] on the barbie, a few banana prawns, [20 bucks a kg] and a real coldie, real cold........and a few lazy wagers around the country.....see ya.

[nomates]

On 24/01/2022 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bloggs said:

I don't rate Ellis but I do rate Richards, would I send him a horse if he set up here, you betcha, he's proven, plaudits to him for trying to go it himself, but HK is not the place for him, Ballarat/Hawkesbury/Wyong would be ideal as it's not too divorced from his MO in NZ.....but leave Ellis behind, the bought by David brand is wearing thin.....

Richards may not be going to Aus but gossip is David and Emma Browne have decided it's the place to be , got 40 boxes at Cranbourne and moving next month . So the training ranks of young up and comers gets thinner .

[Freda]

22 minutes ago, nomates said:

Richards may not be going to Aus but gossip is David and Emma Browne have decided it's the place to be , got 40 boxes at Cranbourne and moving next month . So the training ranks of young up and comers gets thinner .

Hardly surprising.   Good luck to them. 

[nomates]

12 hours ago, Freda said:

Hardly surprising.   Good luck to them. 

Yet again , Love Racing post a story about the Browne's imminent move , as if it's a positive story about NZ racing .

They are standing in the shit but still can't smell it .

[Huey]

27 minutes ago, nomates said:

Yet again , Love Racing post a story about the Browne's imminent move , as if it's a positive story about NZ racing .

They are standing in the shit but still can't smell it .

Yes I get a giggle out of this sort of stuff , they really are hopeless. I wonder if they post it as an alternative to the real reasons trainers like this are leaving. 

One has to ask the question why aren't the Pikes, Marsh, TA of this world heading across the ditch? It must be too easy for them here right?

[nomates]

10 minutes ago, Huey said:

One has to ask the question why aren't the Pikes, Marsh, TA of this world heading across the ditch? It must be too easy for them here right?

These guys are working with much larger numbers and whether people want to believe it or not they are making good money , when they can charge not a lot short of the Sydney stables are they are doing alright . They will hang in till things get too bad , then either move over or retire , comfortably .

[Freda]

Much easier to be the big fish in the pond, rather than the minnow. 

[Chief Stipe]

38 minutes ago, nomates said:

These guys are working with much larger numbers and whether people want to believe it or not they are making good money , when they can charge not a lot short of the Sydney stables are they are doing alright . They will hang in till things get too bad , then either move over or retire , comfortably .

I assume from your comment that "they are making good money" you mean they are making a "good profit"?  That isn't the case.  They may pull a reasonable salary (not as great as some administrators) but they don't make huge profits.  Most of the top players are breaking even at best.