Gammalite Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 8:53 AM, Chief Stipe said: Geez Brodie if you weren't being so anti you would have picked up that Magic Four $100 value! Expand Am I seeing things at Auckland. ? A $200k Age group final and Allstars haven't won it .... what is going on? It's been a crook day , but seeing ALLStars team 2nd , 3rd and 4th is a bit too much to believe. 😧 Winner MAGIC FOUR only $60 on Sportsbet . Nobody took it I imagine , unless by mistake lol..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) On 12/02/2022 at 8:53 AM, Chief Stipe said: Geez Brodie if you weren't being so anti you would have picked up that Magic Four $60+ value! Expand Magic four last 2 starts were seconds at cambridge,one behind a handy 3year old in a 1 win race,and the other behind a horse who has had 5 wins from 50 starts,who had dropped back to the 1 win grade because it had been unable to win at manawatu. So i don't think brodie would have on that one. But well done to the reid/ mcmullan team. It was a good race to watch ,but you would have to ask has the dylan ferguson driven horse got to the finish yet. No surprise it was down to a walk before the 200m mark,given the way he drove it. Someone needs to tell him he wasn't driving lazarus. Still he did add excitement to the race,even if he did look rather stupid. Edited February 12, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 9:11 AM, the galah said: Magic four last 2 starts were seconds at cambridge,one behind a handy 3year old in a 1 win race,and the other behind a horse who has had 5 wins from 50 starts,who had dropped back to the 1 win grade because it had been unable to win at manawatu. So i don't think brodie would have on that one. But well done to the reid/ mcmullan team. Expand Ok there is a good reason for the "staggering" performance improvement? Who would've thought?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 9:14 AM, Chief Stipe said: Ok there is a good reason for the "staggering" performance improvement? Who would've thought?! Expand Is there? What was it chief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 9:14 AM, Chief Stipe said: Ok there is a good reason for the "staggering" performance improvement? Who would've thought?! Expand Can you put improvement down to the weather ? A Lucky break for the horses connections. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 9:22 AM, Gammalite said: Can you put improvement down to the weather ? A Lucky break for the horses connections. Expand Last two winners came down the middle of the track. The inside was the slow lane after the heavens opened as is often the case at Alex Park. Good for connections of Magic Four 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 Interesting day on the punt for harness punters. Winners paying $1.10. $1.10, $1.20, $1.40 and $101. Not much there for us normal punters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 9:52 AM, Doomed said: Interesting day on the punt for harness punters. Winners paying $1.10. $1.10, $1.20, $1.40 and $101. Not much there for us normal punters. Expand If you had multied those you would have made $205/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Auckland is beyond doomed with them fields for that money.what a disgrace.it was pathetic racing to watch and I only watched replays did not have a bet.the only horse I liked the run of was seve.it will be short next run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 8:53 AM, Chief Stipe said: Geez Brodie if you weren't being so anti you would have picked up that Magic Four $100 value! Expand Lol. Still dont know how it coildve won, just shows why perhaps Auckland is on its knees! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 7:51 PM, Brodie said: Lol. Still dont know how it coildve won, just shows why perhaps Auckland is on its knees! Expand Can't see you logic or join the dots. Auckland Trotting Club are still holding race meetings, returned a good profit last season and are trying new innovations. So ATC is hardly "on its knees". Remind me again when was the last time you said anything positive about a harness meeting in NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) On 12/02/2022 at 9:43 PM, Chief Stipe said: Can't see you logic or join the dots. Auckland Trotting Club are still holding race meetings, returned a good profit last season and are trying new innovations. So ATC is hardly "on its knees". Remind me again when was the last time you said anything positive about a harness meeting in NZ. Expand Maybe hes come to the same conclusion as expressed in the "dire picture painted by Auckland trotting club auditor" article a couple of months back. Brodsters always on the money. Edited February 13, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 12:06 AM, the galah said: Brodsters always on the money. Expand Occasionally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 12:06 AM, the galah said: Maybe hes come to the same conclusion as expressed in the "dire picture painted by Auckland trotting club auditor" article a couple of months back. Brodsters always on the money. Expand That's a Barry Lichter headline. Suggest you have a look at the accounts. From what I can see everything is heading in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 1:09 AM, Chief Stipe said: That's a Barry Lichter headline. Suggest you have a look at the accounts. From what I can see everything is heading in the right direction. Expand Barry Lichter has his finger on the pulse, Chief. The ATC are totally in dire straights financially and are a huge drain on harness racing in NZ! The amount of debt they carry is going to bury them as there is not a lot of positive news that is coming from out of the trenches! Chief, how do you think they are going to be able to trade their way out of the mess they have got themselves into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 12/02/2022 at 9:43 PM, Chief Stipe said: Can't see you logic or join the dots. Auckland Trotting Club are still holding race meetings, returned a good profit last season and are trying new innovations. So ATC is hardly "on its knees". Remind me again when was the last time you said anything positive about a harness meeting in NZ. Expand Lol. I would have to go back and have a long look! Your site Chief, and totally entitled to disagree with anything that I say! There are some positive things happening with harness racing, just often very hard to name them ! Can you advise all these positive things that you see are happening that is currently making harness great again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 4:33 AM, Brodie said: Barry Lichter has his finger on the pulse, Chief. The ATC are totally in dire straights financially and are a huge drain on harness racing in NZ! The amount of debt they carry is going to bury them as there is not a lot of positive news that is coming from out of the trenches! Chief, how do you think they are going to be able to trade their way out of the mess they have got themselves into? Expand What mess Brodie? Give us some detail and your erudite analysis instead of slogans. How are they a drain on New Zealand Harness Racing? Does HRNZ have liability tied to ATC debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 4:37 AM, Brodie said: There are some positive things happening with harness racing, just often very hard to name them ! Expand So you agree. But if you know there are some positive things how come you can't name them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 4:40 AM, Chief Stipe said: So you agree. But if you know there are some positive things how come you can't name them? Expand Because they are few and far between! Harness is at a crossroads at the moment and this lockout of the public just does not do it any favours! I go into betting places and there is next to no one else wagering on harness. Without nee punters being attracted to harness and new people entering the industry it is only going to be one way traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 4:38 AM, Chief Stipe said: What mess Brodie? Give us some detail and your erudite analysis instead of slogans. How are they a drain on New Zealand Harness Racing? Does HRNZ have liability tied to ATC debt? Expand No HRNZ is not tied to the debt! However you can not run a viable business with the current debt level and lack of interest in the Auckland harness product! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 6:29 AM, Brodie said: I go into betting places and there is next to no one else wagering on harness. Expand I thought you didn't bet anymore? On 13/02/2022 at 6:29 AM, Brodie said: Without nee punters being attracted to harness and new people entering the industry it is only going to be one way traffic. Expand So what would you do to address what you perceive to be problems other than change the Government and allow you to bet and win as much as you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 6:31 AM, Brodie said: No HRNZ is not tied to the debt! However you can not run a viable business with the current debt level and lack of interest in the Auckland harness product! Expand But you said the debt was sucking money out of Harness Racing? If they can service any debt and they have positive net assets what's the problem? They are in a better position than TAB NZ that had to get bailed out of insolvency by Winnie. With regard to the lack of interest in Auckland Harness racing according to you that is a problem for Harness as a whole. Although it can't be that big a problem for the ATC as they returned a reasonable profit on their racing business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) On 13/02/2022 at 6:37 AM, Chief Stipe said: Although it can't be that big a problem for the ATC as they returned a reasonable profit on their racing business. Expand Can you provide a link to the latest annual accounts? Doesn't the previous couple of years show the racing side of things was running at a loss? But if we are to believe what you say,then they have somehow turned that all around in the previous financial year,despite declining horse numbers and covid? That would be a positive if it was true,but can you provide some proof of that? Edited February 13, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 6:33 AM, Chief Stipe said: I thought you didn't bet anymore? So what would you do to address what you perceive to be problems other than change the Government and allow you to bet and win as much as you want? Expand I have a go every now and then, not as much as i used to. Lost a bit of enthusiasm as treated like a crim, Chief. Where do I start? Encourage wagering rather than the opposite. Raise the stupid AML limit! Get people back on course with incentives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 13/02/2022 at 7:49 AM, Brodie said: Raise the stupid AML limit! Expand But that isn't something that Harness controls it is a TAB NZ issue and Government rules. What's wrong with confirming your identity when depositing or withdrawing large sums of money? On 13/02/2022 at 7:49 AM, Brodie said: Get people back on course with incentives! Expand What sort of incentives? Free hot dogs and ice creams? Where's the marketing budget come from? Less Stakes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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