Robalan Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 It is not a rule it is the policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gammalite said: good point. I spose any 'claim' for horse damage, would be made with using name of licenced friend, neighbour, relative as the person in charge of horse. i was actually meaning we are going off well before acceptances here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: @Gammalite you have obviously not been reading my posts nor up with the play in NZ. In the Thoroughbred industry you don't need to be licensed to break, educate and pre-train a horse. I assume it is the same with Harness. Why would you do such a dangerous activity unlicenced ? with health and safety paramount for claims these days. You can't drive a fork-lift unlicenced at any place , and claim anything .... or can you? not at a company anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Anderson has served his penalty as given by the Court. Arguably he could argue a Human Rights case if he is continually refused a license. It isn't as if there aren't precedents within the industry. It is a very slow process. Like how long has the brodster been waiting for his "restriction" beef to be called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Why would you do such a dangerous activity unlicenced ? with health and safety paramount for claims these days. You can't drive a fork-lift unlicenced at any place , and claim anything .... or can you? not at a company anyway. You don't need to be licensed to farm sheep, cattle or even breed horses. Being licensed doesn't guarantee that you are safe or even good at what you are licensed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You don't need to be licensed to farm sheep, cattle or even breed horses. Being licensed doesn't guarantee that you are safe or even good at what you are licensed to do. Thats for sure ! only gotta look at the drivers on the road and you wonder did weet-bix have a special or something dishing out licences hehehe Breeding you can do by proxy, I'm sure sheep and cattle farmed for human consumption have industry regulations that would involve 'knowing' who is involved in supplying the meat ? lol.. I go to races once or twice a year, and the stewards aren't happy with me, as they eye me up and down, not having even a stable-hands licence these days, while helping out with old mates down the stable area. (they turn a blind eye once i'm recognised though) You have to have some sort of licence to be handling horses at the races ,makes sense really. who wants unknowns hanging around the stabling area?. sure !!! if you do it in private at a private facility you can break in, drive your fork lift into a tree, crash the car unlicenced into the fence whatever you like, but you would have difficulty 'claiming ' anything ?. Insurance , compo , etc without fibs....... Better to be Licenced in the advent of mishap I would think. At races or at home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, Gammalite said: sure !!! if you do it in private at a private facility you can break in, drive your fork lift into a tree, crash the car unlicenced into the fence whatever you like, but you would have difficulty 'claiming ' anything ?. Insurance , compo , etc without fibs....... Better to be Licenced in the advent of mishap I would think. At races or at home. As far as I know if you insure your bloodstock there is no requirement that they are kept on licensed premises in the care of licensed people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 However I do believe Harness and Thoroughbred horse breakers, early educators and pre-trainers should be licensed. Primarily to protect owners and for horse welfare purposes. There are a lot of Trainers at Cambridge that only train horses for the last 2-4 weeks of a horse preparation before it goes to the trials or the races. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I hope that throughout these months, Mr Andersons former partner/girlfriend has been getting the right support and is rebuilding her life after the traumatic events. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 I don't know what Matt Anderson has been doing during his absence from racing, but he has been spending hundreds of thousands on yearlings at the sales, so it must have been profitable 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Robalan said: I don't know what Matt Anderson has been doing during his absence from racing, but he has been spending hundreds of thousands on yearlings at the sales, so it must have been profitable You might read about that one day as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Robalan said: I don't know what Matt Anderson has been doing during his absence from racing, but he has been spending hundreds of thousands on yearlings at the sales, so it must have been profitable to accumulate that sort of money one would have to have priority access to the brodsters 0900 harness line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Robalan said: I don't know what Matt Anderson has been doing during his absence from racing, but he has been spending hundreds of thousands on yearlings at the sales, so it must have been profitable How do you get to "hundreds of thousands"? I counted 4 yearlings for a total of $223,500. Have I missed some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 You've answered your own question, how many hundred thousands are there in 200,000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Robalan said: You've answered your own question, how many hundred thousands are there in 200,000 Your inference was that there was a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 I don't know what circles you move in, but $223,500 is a hell of a lot of money in my circles. You may not be able to buy a house with it but it would make a bloody good deposit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Robalan said: I don't know what circles you move in, but $223,500 is a hell of a lot of money in my circles. You may not be able to buy a house with it but it would make a bloody good deposit Well a whole lot more people spent a whole lot more. He bought 4 yearlings. So what? Not that it's anyone else business but perhaps he has a number of investors backing him. Why the fixation on what he is doing? Is it jealously or envy on your part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Well a whole lot more people spent a whole lot more. He bought 4 yearlings. So what? Not that it's anyone else business but perhaps he has a number of investors backing him. Why the fixation on what he is doing? Is it jealously or envy on your part? The more you talk on this, the sillier you sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Spatchcock said: The more you talk on this, the sillier you sound. How so? FFS why the fixation by a small group of individuals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Personally think that Matt Anderson has had enough bad publicity, and having harness enthusiasts hammering him again achieves nothing! Look Matt hasn’t acted like a saint but seriously there has been extenuating circumstances from what I know. Ne has suffered majorly from the continued Martin Van Beynon shite, and time to give the fellah a break I wouldve thought! From what I have been told Matt was not born with a golden spoon in his mouth. Personally think he was or is one of the most talented horseman in NZ bearing in mind he hasnt come from a horsey family! I dont condone violence whether it to male or female, however there is often circumstances beyond your control! Give Matt a break and I would welcome him back to the harness industry as I am sure he wouldve learnt his lesson big time!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 15/02/2022 at 1:41 PM, Chief Stipe said: However I do believe Harness and Thoroughbred horse breakers, early educators and pre-trainers should be licensed. Primarily to protect owners and for horse welfare purposes. There are a lot of Trainers at Cambridge that only train horses for the last 2-4 weeks of a horse preparation before it goes to the trials or the races. Yes, agree here. Add studs too . There was a situation some years ago, locally, with a thoroughbred stud managed by a former licensed trainer. He had trained from that property initially, but at the time of all the angst, wasn't licensed. There were anecdotal reports of horses in appalling condition, some truck operators gave graphic descriptions of the state of some of their transportees, the local SPCA was involved, and finally a court case involving a former employee uplifting some of the stock because of their condition. [ She was exonerated ]. The Racecourse D of the time would do nothing because he was unlicenced. The local branch of the NZTBA would do nothing. The national office of NZTBA would do nothing either...' we had a meeting but no one was very keen on .....' There was - is - no council legislation for running/managing a horse stud, as there is for running a boarding kennel or cattery, for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 19 hours ago, Brodie said: Personally think that Matt Anderson has had enough bad publicity, and having harness enthusiasts hammering him again achieves nothing! Look Matt hasn’t acted like a saint but seriously there has been extenuating circumstances from what I know. Ne has suffered majorly from the continued Martin Van Beynon shite, and time to give the fellah a break I wouldve thought! From what I have been told Matt was not born with a golden spoon in his mouth. Personally think he was or is one of the most talented horseman in NZ bearing in mind he hasnt come from a horsey family! I dont condone violence whether it to male or female, however there is often circumstances beyond your control! Give Matt a break and I would welcome him back to the harness industry as I am sure he wouldve learnt his lesson big time!!!!!! Whilst Hitchcock was a really nice horse I think going forward Matt will steer well clear of anything with Psycho II in the blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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