the galah Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) Today at manawatu they fined the driver of aurelia cotta,m johnson,$350 for continuous use of the whip. Well that maybe so but he hardly flicked it much at all. But what was noticeable on trackside today was the replay of Better Talk Art winning last week at addington. R Close the driver never even got a mention for his whip use,yet he appeared to flick and hit it continuously the length of the straight. When you compare the 2 drives,its a bit of a joke to think the driver today got fined and close didn't.Wheres the consistency? Edited February 15, 2022 by the galah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Different stewards do both islands. Stewards S Mulcay (Chairman)Is The biggest disgrace on planet earth.the all-stars love him.hes a disgrace over amazing dream beyond words team driving race fixing.shan noble the list goes on.the yanks who bought beyond words on her PUMPED up form would be spewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 It is time to ban the whip. HRNZ must be proactive and take incisive action now. Following the recent Mark Todd incident where he whipped a horse with a branch, activists' eyes are laser focussed on equestrian and horse racing and whip use. Outrage, driven by social media, could quickly spread. HRNZ must show foresight and ban the whip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davis said: It is time to ban the whip. HRNZ must be proactive and take incisive action now. Following the recent Mark Todd incident where he whipped a horse with a branch, activists' eyes are laser focussed on equestrian and horse racing and whip use. Outrage, driven by social media, could quickly spread. HRNZ must show foresight and ban the whip. So your only reason for banning the whip is the activity of the anti-racing minority? As for the "outrage driven by social media" - as I predicted it has lasted not much more than 48 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 If you ban the whip and you continue with the current rules regarding the limits to using the reins to drive your horse out - how will you drive your horse out? Harness isn't like the Gallops where you can give the horses a good dig in the ribs with your heels in the absence of a whip. Won't eliminating whips and limiting what you can do with the reins further diminish Harness racing as a wagering option? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Davis said: It is time to ban the whip. HRNZ must be proactive and take incisive action now. Following the recent Mark Todd incident where he whipped a horse with a branch, activists' eyes are laser focussed on equestrian and horse racing and whip use. Outrage, driven by social media, could quickly spread. HRNZ must show foresight and ban the whip. Davis, to be fair think there deserves to be many others in The Beehive that deserve a public flogging for what they have done to the NZ citizens! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: If you ban the whip and you continue with the current rules regarding the limits to using the reins to drive your horse out - how will you drive your horse out? Harness isn't like the Gallops where you can give the horses a good dig in the ribs with your heels in the absence of a whip. Won't eliminating whips and limiting what you can do with the reins further diminish Harness racing as a wagering option? Whips are outlawed in Norway and they have many high calibre trotters there. I have never bet on a Norwegian harness race but i am sure all horses run to the line without being whipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Brodie said: Davis, to be fair think there deserves to be many others in The Beehive that deserve a public flogging for what they have done to the NZ citizens! Tha's another story mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 43 minutes ago, Davis said: Whips are outlawed in Norway and they have many high calibre trotters there. I have never bet on a Norwegian harness race but i am sure all horses run to the line without being whipped. Perhaps they can slap their horses with the reins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 If NZ Harness bans whips and makes the whip and reins rules more ludicrous BEFORE any other major jurisdiction punters will leave in droves. The Anti-Racing mob minority will have achieved their objective - to end racing fullstop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) The whip cannot be banned here. Obviously we need to be seen to be doing the best by animal welfare standards which we are! The rules now make it near on impossible to hit the horse harder than you can with the reins anyway! But anyone who drives in a race or educates young horses knows that it must stay. Even when the new whip rules came in there was nearly a few accidents in races! horses crossing down to lead middle stages who jammed the breaks on when they got there and caused a chain reaction back through the field that could have seen horses fall. Same goes for breaking one in/educating it many will try run out the gate which if they’re allowed to do at speed can easily cause a serious crash. Most after a couple of flicks at the gate will learn this behaviour isn’t ok & from then on you only have to have your stick around at the gate and use voice encouragement to go forward. Quite simply you’d see numerous horses never step foot on a racetrack without it & many be far less competitive. Edited February 16, 2022 by Harrison 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Harrison said: The whip cannot be banned here. Obviously we need to be seen to be doing the best by animal welfare standards which we are! The rules now make it near on impossible to hit the horse harder than you can with the reins anyway! But anyone who drives in a race or educates young horses knows that it must stay. Even when the new whip rules came in there was nearly a few accidents in races! horses crossing down to lead middle stages who jammed the breaks on when they got there and caused a chain reaction back through the field that could have seen horses fall. Same goes for breaking one in/educating it many will try run out the gate which if they’re allowed to do at speed can easily cause a serious crash. Most after a couple of flicks at the gate will learn this behaviour isn’t ok & from then on you only have to have your stick around at the gate and use voice encouragement to go forward. Quite simply you’d see numerous horses never step foot on a racetrack without it & many be far less competitive. How do they get on Norway then, where whips are banned? I don't agree with you, how will they learn. Good grief, force is not always the answer, just be a bit more patient. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 It’s not about force at all. I am a very patient person with horses & don’t hit them often in races at all. I am all about animal welfare and could not love the horses I work with anymore. But there are times where a whip is required for safety & I’m sure most drivers would agree. A lot of damage can be done if a horse wants to pull up or run sideways at full speed in the middle of 15 horse field when you’re going 50km/h & the consequences can be pretty dire. That’s great that they manage to race without them in Norway. I don’t know anything about their racing or how they’re trained so I can’t really comment on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Harrison said: That’s great that they manage to race without them in Norway. I don’t know anything about their racing or how they’re trained so I can’t really comment on it. Good luck finding any videos or race information from Norway!! My searches have been fruitless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 21 hours ago, Brodie said: Davis, to be fair think there deserves to be many others in The Beehive that deserve a public flogging for what they have done to the NZ citizens! I suspect your pal, Grant Robbo, is a bit partial to the whipping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ludwig said: I suspect your pal, Grant Robbo, is a bit partial to the whipping. Clearly only when tied up! Certainly not a runner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Davis said: How do they get on Norway then, where whips are banned? I don't agree with you, how will they learn. Good grief, force is not always the answer, just be a bit more patient. Really. Do you honestly believe that the Trainers in Norway never ever use a whip in training? It is just virtue signalling in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Do you honestly believe that the Trainers in Norway never ever use a whip in training? It is just virtue signalling in public. Irrelevant red herring on your part. I do not know what they use in training but that is immaterial because the fact remains whips are banned in harness races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, Davis said: Irrelevant red herring on your part. I do not know what they use in training but that is immaterial because the fact remains whips are banned in harness races. The key questions are will banning the whip: - increase wagering; - increase participation; - appease the anti-racing mob. The answer in my opinion to each of those questions is No. In fact for two of those factors it will have the opposite outcome. In which country is harness racing stronger? Norway, Sweden or Denmark? As for my asking if the whip is banned in training is a red herring. Isn't it just pure virtue signalling if it isn't? Did you also know that the horses that race in Norway often race in Sweden and Denmark where Whips can be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Trotting in Norway is of a far less quality than in Denmark and particularly Sweden. Sweden is the leading Harness Racing country in Scandinavia and horses from Norway and Denmark often go to race there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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