the galah Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 It will be interesting to see what official censure,if any,occurs as a result of the tactics of Tim Williams and Brad Williamson in this race. Now my opinion is they shouldn't receive a penalty,but given how C Negus was suspended for 4 months and fined for something far,far,far more insignificant,there appears little option for officialdom. If Williams and Williamson aren't charged,and given lengthy suspensions,then it will be the most obvious case seen in recent times of one rule for the high profile,and another for the small players. I said at the time of charging and finding Negus guilty ,that they had made a mistake to charge her,as they had set a precedent that would require the consistent application of the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, the galah said: It will be interesting to see what official censure,if any,occurs as a result of the tactics of Tim Williams and Brad Williamson in this race. What exactly in your opinion did they do wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Race 7 VET SOUTH EQUINE SOUTHERN BELLE SPEED SERIES MOBILE PACE Show Video BOOTIES DELIGHT - over raced in the early stages. SHOW ME HEAVEN - withstood a challenge for the lead for a considerable distance through the middle stages. Stewards questioned driver T Williams regarding the tactics he adopted during this part of the race. After considering his explanation, Stewards adjourned the matter to make further enquiries. A post-race Veterinary examination revealed no abnormalities. MABALENE - unsuccessfully challenged for the lead for a considerable distance through the middle stages. Stewards questioned driver B Williamson regarding the tactics he adopted during this part of the race. After considering his explanation, Stewards adjourned the matter to make further enquiries. A post-race Veterinary examination revealed an initial high heart rate however the mare recovered well. ART COURAGE - out of position at the start despite the efforts of junior driver S O'Reilly. Placed on the Unruly for future mobile starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gammalite Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: What exactly in your opinion did they do wrong? Gassed their horses. Tim is the culprit . Brad Williamson only had '1 more metre' to go to cross to the lead, after the home straight challenge a lap out , and a very nice horse in Mabalene to do it with. More or less 'obliged ' to persist for lead when that close to it ?? At Menangle and many other places, the driver in TIM Williams position would of decided very quickly , to not gas your horse relentlessly a lap out , yield and let the outside horse go . And IF YOU were desparate to be leader , just pop out around it again as soon as it backs off the pace. (which it would do) and regain the lead with just general momentum ? instead of the near Flat Out shite TIM was doing to keep the lead in this race at all costs. Edited February 25, 2022 by Gammalite spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Gassed their horses. Tim is the culprit . The point I was making @Gammalite was that @the galah didn't actually say what he thought was wrong. I don't believe Tim was the culprit. Williamson used up his whip allocation well before the home straight trying to get the lead. Did Tim actually touch his horse with the whip? I would have thought under the rules Williamson will be charged at least with excessive whip use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 As Bob Cameron use to say, it’s up to the outside guy to take the race track off you, as the leader you either accept it or you don’t. I think the inside horse has right of way every time. And what’s wrong with a battle, it’s called racing after all. Better than some of the tame contests we get sometimes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, CosmicBlacki said: As Bob Cameron use to say, it’s up to the outside guy to take the race track off you, as the leader you either accept it or you don’t. I think the inside horse has right of way every time. And what’s wrong with a battle, it’s called racing after all. Better than some of the tame contests we get sometimes. It was only 1700m not 2400m. So why hand up if you are in the lead? There was heaps of room for Williamson to pull back and get the trail - why keep pressing on? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I don't believe Tim was the culprit. Williamson used up his whip allocation well before the home straight trying to get the lead. Did Tim actually touch his horse with the whip? Tim had every right to be where he was. BUT If you want to keep poking your legs up inside the wheel of the parked horse like he did , you get exactly the result that you deserve, that Tim Williams and his horse got . which was Run Down easily . Mabalene with Williamson even went past him late on up the home straight (on the inside this time lol..... ) to rub his (Tim) nose in it . (Very good effort by Mabalene actually? one for next time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Tim had every right to be where he was. BUT If you want to keep poking your legs up inside the wheel of the parked horse like he did , you get exactly the result that you deserve, that Tim Williams and his horse got . which was Run Down easily . Mabalene with Williamson even went past him late on up the home straight (on the inside this time lol..... ) to rub his (Tim) nose in it . (Very good effort by Mabalene actually? one for next time) I disagree. Williamson whipped Mabalene TEN times in the first run to the winning post. Surely that must result in a charge? In that the horse couldn't maintain or improve its position when whipped. Tim barely moved on his horse. Brad had a brain fade. Over 1700m what was wrong with sitting parked for a lap? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I disagree. Williamson whipped Mabalene TEN times in the first run to the winning post. Surely that must result in a charge? In that the horse couldn't maintain or improve its position when whipped. Tim barely moved on his horse. Brad had a brain fade. Over 1700m what was wrong with sitting parked for a lap? I do agree. I don't understand why Brad preserved with such tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ludwig said: I do agree. I don't understand why Brad preserved with such tactics. In the old days Tim would have said "Brad I'm not handing up!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: In the old days Tim would have said "Brad I'm not handing up!" That's Exactly right. But Brad poured on the pressure so 'that plan' of Tims' was coming unstuck obviously. As I said earlier , they were clear of the field so a Good Decision would be LET them go , then whip around that runner to the front again. Happens all the time in Aus. Maybe not a known tactic in NZ ?? not by Williams seemingly anyway. Gassed his horse and ran unplaced instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gammalite said: That's Exactly right. But Brad poured on the pressure so 'that plan' of Tims' was coming unstuck obviously. As I said earlier , they were clear of the field so a Good Decision would be LET them go , then whip around that runner to the front again. Happens all the time in Aus. Maybe not a known tactic in NZ ?? not by Williams seemingly anyway. Gassed his horse and ran unplaced instead. As did Williamson's horse run unplaced. So you are saying hand up, then go and attack again and end up parked in another speed battle. Do you think Williamson should be charged for whipping his horse 10 times in the first 800m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: As did Williamson's horse run unplaced. So you are saying hand up, then go and attack again and end up parked in another speed battle. Do you think Williamson should be charged for whipping his horse 10 times in the first 800m? Spose .... Brad could of yelled 3 simple words to Tim " Come Back Round" and we wouldn't have this silly thread. Anyway, another day they'll race again. No comment on stupid whip rules , hate the things. Better off watching Verry Elleegant fight like a Tiger >>>>> go girl !!!!!!!!!!!! VE better than Winx IMO lol......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Better off watching Verry Elleegant fight like a Tiger >>>>> go girl !!!!!!!!!!!! VE better than Winx IMO lol......... Not wishing to take this Thread off piste but Verry Elleegant must rank as one of the all time greats. Eleven Group 1 wins from 1400m to 3200m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I see that Brad gets put out for 8 days for that drive. He admitted to the charge . I am still curious as to what was behind his drive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 26/02/2022 at 10:57 AM, Gammalite said: More or less 'obliged ' to persist for lead when that close to it ?? Tell that to Colleen Negus who got hammered by the stipes for thinking the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 4/03/2022 at 11:09 PM, Ludwig said: I see that Brad gets put out for 8 days for that drive. He admitted to the charge . I am still curious as to what was behind his drive. Random brain explosion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Random brain explosion? Well the poor guy has spent his whole life in Oamaru. Enough said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBlacki Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I’ve always found Oamaru a really pleasant place to be, by the sea, neat old buildings, a bit going on, nice topography, and Fleur’s Place at Mairaki, terrific seaside restaurant, could be anywhere in the world. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, CosmicBlacki said: and Fleur’s Place at Mairaki, terrific seaside restaurant, could be anywhere in the world. 👍 100% Is she back open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, Rangatira said: 100% Is she back open? Last report i read was a couple of months ago saying it was closed indefinitely. Just another in a long list of examples of Jacinda's mandates snuffing out its ability to operate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, the galah said: Last report i read was a couple of months ago saying it was closed indefinitely. Just another in a long list of examples of Jacinda's mandates snuffing out its ability to operate. Yet a couple of the crappy cafes in town, which really need a new lease of life, keep on going. Funny old world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 11 hours ago, the galah said: Last report i read was a couple of months ago saying it was closed indefinitely. Just another in a long list of examples of Jacinda's mandates snuffing out its ability to operate. And yet the BOOSTERED politicians are testing positive to this dangerous virus? And all the unpoisoned I know havent had anything! Go figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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