The Centaur Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Its time to do away with TAB agencies in the format they currently operate. I am guessing they are being maintained because suddenly the high salaried managers would have less of an empire if they went. TAB's are not attractive to younger people. Staff at most have little or no connection with racing. The rents/overheads not to mention wages must surely make it uneconomic. Getting rid of of them will give greater incentive for innovative thinking to emerge although its not going to come out of the existing TAB regime. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bid Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Yeah, I haven't been in one for years but you walk past them and not a very attractive sort of place are they. I've thought for a while now a better option would be to tag on to lotto and be able to top up TAB account there or put a bets on, would also be a chance more people might get involved as people who are just a once or twice a year bettor might decide to have a bet whilst getting there weekly lotto on a Saturday morning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Very hard to find an agency in Chch that not attached to a pub or self service in a bar! A better idea would be for the NZ TAB to encourage punters to wager, that is no restrictions on any punter and the stupid $1k identification BS be increased to $5k min. They are driving punters away in big numbers and very few new ones betting on racing in NZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Bid said: Yeah, I haven't been in one for years but you walk past them and not a very attractive sort of place are they. I've thought for a while now a better option would be to tag on to lotto and be able to top up TAB account there or put a bets on, would also be a chance more people might get involved as people who are just a once or twice a year bettor might decide to have a bet whilst getting there weekly lotto on a Saturday morning. Yes there are numerous options. Having two TV channels obviously means one channel has to be muted inside the TAB. Therefore the muted channel should have had text captions or graphics describing what's going on. When it comes to entertainment a racing organisation should be responsible getting entertainment into bars with emphasis on silent TV complemented by livestreaming and internet data. Getting the package right would allow shopping malls, bars, restaurants, various travel lounges to expose racing to the masses. The racing organisation responsible for the advertising shown. Combining Lotto and TAB retailing worth considering. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Bid said: Yeah, I haven't been in one for years but you walk past them and not a very attractive sort of place are they. I've thought for a while now a better option would be to tag on to lotto and be able to top up TAB account there or put a bets on, would also be a chance more people might get involved as people who are just a once or twice a year bettor might decide to have a bet whilst getting there weekly lotto on a Saturday morning. Lots of people, young and old buy lotto tickets, reason, a chance to become rich, but the large percentage of those same people probably don't give a shit about racing and the fact that racing don't have a big prize pool for something to attract them probably means you won't attract new people i started a thread about jackpots, on course maybe but maybe in today's world that might not work but I reckon something like this. Saturday only, you take the last 4 races the quad races from NZ, you then take the four main Eastern State meetings and their last four races,, that's 20 races, if we have a harness meet in NZ you throw that in as well20 or 24 races, only thing you need to fine tune is what to do with small fields. To win you need to pick15 winners, or if their is 24 races 18 or something, if it's not struck it jackpots, but you get a collect for those who pick the most winners in any given day. As you only have to pick 15 winners you only need to pick 15 races but if you pick in all races you are increasing your chances of winning, something that's Saturday only, maybe properly promoted by the TAB, sure it might start slowly but as it builds so does interest, gee if it only reached dizzy heights once or twice a year it must be better than Melbourne Cup day being the only day many take notice of horse racing. Maybe get rid of percentage bets and maybe 50 cents a line adjusted based on the number of picks per line. Edited February 27, 2022 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 15 winners is way too many. Look at Lotto 40 numbers ,6-7 required for a decent payout. 8 winners....2 feature races in NZ,and 6 feature races in aussie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 Cutting out the TAB agencies should have been accompanied by keeping radio. Even if radio was going to run at a loss it would have complemented the loss of remaining agencies. Another example of short sighted thinking by the TAB. Right now NZTR should get way from Petone where they are chummy with TAB on a personal basis and set up on Ellerslie racecourse. With that, racing (gallops/harness/dogs) should form a media company. Racing chiefs must get it into their heads that racing does not need the NZ TAB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, holy ravioli said: 15 winners is way too many. Look at Lotto 40 numbers ,6-7 required for a decent payout. 8 winners....2 feature races in NZ,and 6 feature races in aussie. Are you seriously comparing the odds of winning Lotto where every number (horse) has an even chance of winning with picking the winner of a horse race? Mind you that might be how you pick your race winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Are you seriously comparing the odds of winning Lotto where every number (horse) has an even chance of winning with picking the winner of a horse race? Mind you that might be how you pick your race winners. Yes I am. Don't you know that every horse running in a race can win that race. It is aimed at a wider market...not just 'good judges'...like..yourself!😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Don't you know that every horse running in a race can win that race. But they don't have an equal chance do they unlike a Lotto ball. Otherwise they would all be paying the same price. For a start don't 1 in 3 favourites win? You can't say that about a Lotto ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 27/02/2022 at 12:40 PM, Brodie said: Very hard to find an agency in Chch that not attached to a pub or self service in a bar! A better idea would be for the NZ TAB to encourage punters to wager, that is no restrictions on any punter and the stupid $1k identification BS be increased to $5k min. They are driving punters away in big numbers and very few new ones betting on racing in NZ Is that one in Manchester St opposite the multi level CCC carpark still operating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 18 hours ago, The Centaur said: Cutting out the TAB agencies should have been accompanied by keeping radio. Even if radio was going to run at a loss it would have complemented the loss of remaining agencies. Another example of short sighted thinking by the TAB. Right now NZTR should get way from Petone where they are chummy with TAB on a personal basis and set up on Ellerslie racecourse. With that, racing (gallops/harness/dogs) should form a media company. Racing chiefs must get it into their heads that racing does not need the NZ TAB. If they weren't allowed to operate pokies in the agencies , they would all be gone over night - simple as that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Huey said: If they weren't allowed to operate pokies in the agencies , they would all be gone over night - simple as that. If TAB NZ couldn't run pokies then revenue would be down 10m+. That's how the RIB is funded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Did I hear right? Saundry saying NZ Racing has made agreements with 20 bookie outfits in Australia for them to have betting rights and also TV rights. Seems to me that doesn't bode well for Australian racing. Far too many corporate bookies each with own admin overheads. After all they are all parasites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Seems to me that doesn't bode well for Australian racing. Far too many corporate bookies each with own admin overheads. After all they are all parasites. How so ? Can't see them doing a roaring trade on the kiwi product in Aus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Huey said: How so ? Can't see them doing a roaring trade on the kiwi product in Aus. Don't know. There is a lot of connection between the two. If the Aussie pro punter can see value in NZ form and odds they will have a go. Some of those Aussie punters a pretty sophisticated with their info systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 20 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But they don't have an equal chance do they unlike a Lotto ball. Otherwise they would all be paying the same price. For a start don't 1 in 3 favourites win? You can't say that about a Lotto ball. They have all got 4 legs and they do not know what they're...paying. I will put up a field one day and get you to name a horse that can't win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: They have all got 4 legs and they do not know what they're...paying. I will put up a field one day and get you to name a horse that can't win. They don't all have an equal chance of winning like a Lotto Ball. You just stick to choosing random numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: They don't all have an equal chance of winning like a Lotto Ball. You just stick to choosing random numbers. Can you pick the ones that will run last 3 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Can you pick the ones that will run last 3 then? Not WILL but LIKELY to. You don't appear to be able to do that as you price them all the same. Numbers 1 through 40 are all paying $1.50! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Not WILL but LIKELY to. You don't appear to be able to do that as you price them all the same. Numbers 1 through 40 are all paying $1.50! Look up what 'variables'...means.🤑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Look up what 'variables'...means.🤑 Why bother? You're the idiot telling us that every horse has the same chance regardless of variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why bother? You're the idiot telling us that every horse has the same chance regardless of variables. Yes Chief,EVERY horse is subject to the same chance of....luck in the running. That's one variable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Yes Chief,EVERY horse is subject to the same chance of....luck in the running. That's one variable. Luck isn't a variable. You can't measure "luck". Next. You're the type of punter the TAB wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Luck isn't a variable. You can't measure "luck". Next. You're the type of punter the TAB wants. 'luck in the running' is clearly a variable. You are mixing up likelihood,chance and measure to suit your flawed argument. Odds and prices are mere opinions....every odds on fav would win according to your...theory.Why don't they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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