Brodie Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Lizzie Richter is lining up at Addington Thursday night, drawn one behind the gate! Would on the face of it be very dangerous wouldnt it? This mare has been a perennial galloper since it started racing and no sign of it getting any better!!! Just reading the race performance information shows that out of its last 10 starts it has broken gait in 9 of them! Yet the stipes are allowing it to be in the draw???? So we have one of the worst gaited horses drawing one, so this could be a recipe for disaster with the likelihood of it having a gallop or two during the race, as it does gallop at different stages of its races! Interest decision to let it still race with no improvement to its racing habits! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Brodie said: Lizzie Richter is lining up at Addington Thursday night, drawn one behind the gate! Would on the face of it be very dangerous wouldnt it? This mare has been a perennial galloper since it started racing and no sign of it getting any better!!! Just reading the race performance information shows that out of its last 10 starts it has broken gait in 9 of them! Yet the stipes are allowing it to be in the draw???? So we have one of the worst gaited horses drawing one, so this could be a recipe for disaster with the likelihood of it having a gallop or two during the race, as it does gallop at different stages of its races! Interest decision to let it still race with no improvement to its racing habits! Once again on the money, mate. Why do we have stipes these days? What do they do except handout ridiculous fines on a whim? Good grief. Lizzie Richter should have been stood down after her last performance. WTF? Ridiculous. The mare has a history of doing this. This is where we are so far behind the U.S., Canada and Australia. There if a horse did what she did it would be out until it had trialled satisfactory two or there times. Here what happens nothing. So in the past two weeks we've had the stipes blatantly ignore three frightening incidents. Le Pole Dancer checked Gerard O'reilly horse three times, nothing done. Blair Orange caused an accident that results in the death of a horse, nothing down. Annie Richter gallops uncontrollably numerous times during the running, out of control and uncontrollable drive for Chmiel, nothing done. I think it is almost certain to gallop form that draw on Friday night. Hopefully it gallops in the score up where little damage can be done. If not, look out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Davis said: Once again on the money, mate. Why do we have stipes these days? What do they do except handout ridiculous fines on a whim? Good grief. Lizzie Richter should have been stood down after her last performance. WTF? Ridiculous. The mare has a history of doing this. This is where we are so far behind the U.S., Canada and Australia. There if a horse did what she did it would be out until it had trialled satisfactory two or there times. Here what happens nothing. So in the past two weeks we've had the stipes blatantly ignore three frightening incidents. Le Pole Dancer checked Gerard O'reilly horse three times, nothing done. Blair Orange caused an accident that results in the death of a horse, nothing down. Annie Richter gallops uncontrollably numerous times during the running, out of control and uncontrollable drive for Chmiel, nothing done. I think it is almost certain to gallop form that draw on Friday night. Hopefully it gallops in the score up where little damage can be done. If not, look out. The problem with Lizzie Richter is that there is absolutely no pattern to her gallops! She can gallop at any stage of a race and is just so unpredictable. I see Terry Chmiel has given the reins to Gerard O’Reilly, so lucky him. The horse has clearly got some level of ability, but seriously as Davis states, what on earth are the STIPES doing allowing this horse to gallop in basically every start??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Brodie said: The problem with Lizzie Richter is that there is absolutely no pattern to her gallops! She can gallop at any stage of a race and is just so unpredictable. I see Terry Chmiel has given the reins to Gerard O’Reilly, so lucky him. The horse has clearly got some level of ability, but seriously as Davis states, what on earth are the STIPES doing allowing this horse to gallop in basically every start??? Hate to say it but do they need horses just like Lizzie and Silverlinings?, just hope they eventually come right so the fields have some size to them ? surely not but you never know. Just like in the Orange report Chief put up ,half the dribble was about how popular as a driver Orange was and how the stewards usually don't have to talk with him.... even though as we know a relegated horse and multiple fines recently for breaking the rules for going inside markers, they just tell porkies and hope nobody notices or cares. Maybe TAB turnover is becoming a reason for light suspensions ... maybe that's why lessor drivers get high suspensions, lets be honest if a punter see's Alan Clark or Dennis O'Connell driving their money Isn't jumping out of their pockets to bet on that horse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 @Brodie are you trying to improve the price for your plunge on Lizzie? She last raced on 13 April and did break twice in the running. The Stewards have put her on a warning. That race was her first in 7 months. However she did have two trials between those starts 29 March and 6 April. She performed OK in those trials - didn't break and paced cleanly the whole distance. What more are the Stewards supposed to do given she trialled OK and they put her on a warning for her last race performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 54 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: @Brodie are you trying to improve the price for your plunge on Lizzie? She last raced on 13 April and did break twice in the running. The Stewards have put her on a warning. That race was her first in 7 months. However she did have two trials between those starts 29 March and 6 April. She performed OK in those trials - didn't break and paced cleanly the whole distance. What more are the Stewards supposed to do given she trialled OK and they put her on a warning for her last race performance? NAh wouldnt risk backing a dog of a pacer like that as kt will gallop at any stage! Regan Todd could not even sort it out at the beach so that is aying something! Not galloping at a couple of small trial races is nothing spectacular and certainly shouldnt be in the draw! Seriously the Stiles continue to make pathetic decisions in regards to racing! Really hard to fathom how bad a horse has to be to be banned!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Brodie said: NAh wouldnt risk backing a dog of a pacer like that as kt will gallop at any stage! Regan Todd could not even sort it out at the beach so that is aying something! Not galloping at a couple of small trial races is nothing spectacular and certainly shouldnt be in the draw! Seriously the Stiles continue to make pathetic decisions in regards to racing! Really hard to fathom how bad a horse has to be to be banned!!!! I think you are being harsh. It isn't being treated any differently to similarly behaved horses. Plus the rules as they stand are being applied. The only problem I see is its drawn one however given the size of the field there will be nothing following it out of the gate for it to interfere with. Does the option still exist for a Trainer to request a horse be put on the Unruly list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I think you are being harsh. It isn't being treated any differently to similarly behaved horses. Plus the rules as they stand are being applied. The only problem I see is its drawn one however given the size of the field there will be nothing following it out of the gate for it to interfere with. Does the option still exist for a Trainer to request a horse be put on the Unruly list? Yeah I am sure a trainer can have their horse put on the unruly Chief! Reality is that this Lizzie Richter hasnt just galloped a few times in its races, it is basically every start!!! Last start it galloped 3 times during the running and it gets a WARNING, and this is after it had galloped in 8 of its previous 9 starts that shows????? Think it has had more than preferential treatment! It has got a bit of ability but until it knows how to pace a full race then it should be banned surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 48 minutes ago, Brodie said: It has got a bit of ability but until it knows how to pace a full race then it should be banned surely? Then how do you test that? "Trial to the Stewards satisfaction"?! If that's the case then its two recent trials would have been satisfactory. Has it been treated any more leniently than Benson's Mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then how do you test that? "Trial to the Stewards satisfaction"?! If that's the case then its two recent trials would have been satisfactory. Has it been treated any more leniently than Benson's Mate? A 3 horse trial doe not really show that it has got over galloping! Not sure how many times in a row Bensons Mate has galloped in a race, but doubt it would be 90%? One of the priorities of The Stipes job I would have thought was to keep racing SAFE? How on earth is allowing a perennial galloping non winner gallop being acceptable? Maybe Gerard O’Reilly may be the answer but if it does gallop tonight, it should be barred from tote racing for a lengthy stint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 I see it was in 6 and 7 horse trials but not quite the same as raceday. Hope it has learnt to pace a full race then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Brodie said: A 3 horse trial doe not really show that it has got over galloping! They weren't "3 horse trials". One had 7 starters the other had 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, Brodie said: Not sure how many times in a row Bensons Mate has galloped in a race, but doubt it would be 90%? It galloped in its last 3 starts. Had to trial after the second. Then all clear. I think. At the end of the day don't back it. Treat it as if it is a maiden trotter. They lose gait if a fly farts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: They weren't "3 horse trials". One had 7 starters the other had 6. They basically were 3 horse trials as half of them galloped and only left 3 in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 She galloped for no reason tonight but at least Gerard O'Reilly managed to control her and pull her out of race. Will she be given another warning? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Davis said: She galloped for no reason tonight but at least Gerard O'Reilly managed to control her and pull her out of race. Will she be given another warning? If she is not stood down for a few months then it is just crazy. What part of not able to pace a full race do the connections not get? She really should be turned out or just retired as she has got gait issues for some reason? Yeah no reason again for the gallop so Stipes do not just send her to the trials again as you are wasting your time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Brodie said: If she is not stood down for a few months then it is just crazy. What part of not able to pace a full race do the connections not get? She really should be turned out or just retired as she has got gait issues for some reason? Yeah no reason again for the gallop so Stipes do not just send her to the trials again as you are wasting your time! I agree the horse should not be racing as she is a disaster waiting to happen. Last night, she played around at the start and then broke for no reason disrupting trialing runners. Fortunately, Gerard O'Reilly's experience, cool nature and excellent hands managed to bring the horse under control immediately, something Chmiel couldn't do the week before, and he eased her out of it. Another day, another driver... BANG!! I see she has two trial twice satisfactorily after last night's effort. WTF? Penalties like that are a waste of time. It is so easy to find a weak trial field that she can jog around in and do everything right. She could be backing racing in a weeks time. Crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davis said: I agree the horse should not be racing as she is a disaster waiting to happen. Last night, she played around at the start and then broke for no reason disrupting trialing runners. Fortunately, Gerard O'Reilly's experience, cool nature and excellent hands managed to bring the horse under control immediately, something Chmiel couldn't do the week before, and he eased her out of it. Another day, another driver... BANG!! I see she has two trial twice satisfactorily after last night's effort. WTF? Penalties like that are a waste of time. It is so easy to find a weak trial field that she can jog around in and do everything right. She could be backing racing in a weeks time. Crazy! Racing Integrity - Dickheads!! Should be at Riccarton! Edited April 21, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Racing Integrity - Dickheads!! Should be at Riccarton! So what do you propose? The horse gets sacked completely with no chance of rehabilitation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So what do you propose? The horse gets sacked completely with no chance of rehabilitation? Yes. I believe the mare has had enough chances. Broodmare paddock for her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: So what do you propose? The horse gets sacked completely with no chance of rehabilitation? Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat offender, Chief! Dangerous horse with its appalling behaviour and it should not be allowed to have unlimited opportunities! Punters are being scammed, owner is being ripped off and trainer wasting his time and not a good look! Does the owner really want to keep shelling out thousands to watch it gallop every start and endanger other horses and drivers??? If Regan Todd couldnt work the oracle then who can and for what?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat offender, Chief! Dangerous horse with its appalling behaviour and it should not be allowed to have unlimited opportunities! Punters are being scammed, owner is being ripped off and trainer wasting his time and not a good look! Does the owner really want to keep shelling out thousands to watch it gallop every start and endanger other horses and drivers??? If Regan Todd couldnt work the oracle then who can and for what?? Regan Todd trained the horse for its sole placing but he clearly didn't want it in his stable and returned to Chmiel. I don't know what the future holds for her, mate. She should not be racing. Poor breeding poor so probably no reason to send her to stallion either. Frankly, looking at her dam, 1 win in over 50, don't know why that was breed from either. And her traits will probably be passed on to any foals she has, fillies at least? Perhaps, equestrian is her future a patient rider would probably sort her out. Retire her today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 22/04/2022 at 1:32 PM, Davis said: I don't know what the future holds for her, mate. Just needs a wee bit more practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Just needs a wee bit more practice. Gets some tomorrow at the Rangiora Trials. Participants for Race 4: NON-WINNERS MOBILE PACE Book Name Draw HCP Rating Trainer 1 Elite Styx 1 Front MR50 Grant Payne 2 Seabreeze Solitaire 2 Front MR50 Malcolm Shinn 3 Shell Shock 3 Front MR50 Ken Barron 4 Lizzie Richter 4 Front MR40 Terry Chmiel 5 Hail Lucius 5 Front MR48 Regan Todd 6 Sweet Joy 6 Front MR48 Ken Barron 7 Bettor Behave 7 Front MR49 Colin & Julie DeFilippi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Won the first comeback trial. NON-WINNERS MOBILE PACE Distance: 2000m Weather: Fine Track: Good Participants for Race 4: NON-WINNERS MOBILE PACE Pl Bk Horse Time Driver 1 4 Lizzie Richter 2-30.8 T S Chmiel 2 5 Hail Lucius R W Todd 3 2 Seabreeze Solitaire J C Morrison 4 7 Bettor Behave C J DeFilippi 5 1 Elite Styx T M Williams 6 3 Shell Shock S J Ottley 7 6 Sweet Joy B N Orange Margins neck, 2 lengths, 1 1/4 lengths Times Mile Rate: 2-01.3 Last 800m: 58.5 Last 400m: 28.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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