Wingatui fields.

[mikeynz]

On 5/7/2022 at 3:31 AM, Reefton said:

Waikouaiti being jammed in is the problem all right but I don't blame that Club.  Just the reshuffle created an issue when New Year's day is the wrong day of the week.   When I am back in my office I will post the submission where I told them exactly how they should reschedule it but they came back with 'we can't fit it together'  Doh!  I just did it for you you half wits.

And yes the next calendar will be a challenge but I think there is an extra Saturday in January so we will go out a week?   Not sure but there is a way around it as I recall.  Will have to check that.

If Kumara goes back to say January 13 in 2024, Greymouth in all likelihood lose the holiday day they have had last couple of years just after Jan 1 or maybe Grey race sat 6 ,Reefton wed and Kumara the sat, even room then for a day 4 maybe.

[mikeynz]

Just to add some here have suggested Timaru should have got Jan 1 a feature meet, Waikouiti was definitely fucked  at that day, whether Riverton on jan 1 is exactly the right day  not sure after all Omakau always raced jan 3 and Tuetapere have a sports day on jan 1 that must attracts a lot that might otherwise have gone racing, no easy answers, I say Timaru should get a feature day,  maybe more than 1 , a Saturday in spring leading up to cup week would make them more relevant, would also take the weight off Riccarton.

[Freda]

1 hour ago, Reefton said:

Surprisingly we seem to be a part of it but I would have thought Woodville contributes a lot more to NZ Racing than Reeton does

You are no doubt more eloquent and forceful, and have argued for the 'whole' circuit as well...JMO.

[Chief Stipe]

For the life of me I can't work out why the industry administrators are intent on staying on this path to self destruction.

Can't they see stakeholders walking out with their feet with their kit bags over their shoulders?

It will be the administrators closing the lights off well after there are no horses or trainers or jockeys or owners.  They'll then sell the assets to pay their redundancy packages and retire.

A plea to the administrators some of you need to retire NOW!

[Reefton]

40 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

If Kumara goes back to say January 13 in 2024, Greymouth in all likelihood lose the holiday day they have had last couple of years just after Jan 1 or maybe Grey race sat 6 ,Reefton wed and Kumara the sat, even room then for a day 4 maybe.

 

33 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Just to add some here have suggested Timaru should have got Jan 1 a feature meet, Waikouiti was definitely fucked  at that day, whether Riverton on jan 1 is exactly the right day  not sure after all Omakau always raced jan 3 and Tuetapere have a sports day on jan 1 that must attracts a lot that might otherwise have gone racing, no easy answers, I say Timaru should get a feature day,  maybe more than 1 , a Saturday in spring leading up to cup week would make them more relevant, would also take the weight off Riccarton.

 

32 minutes ago, Freda said:

You are no doubt more eloquent and forceful, and have argued for the 'whole' circuit as well...JMO.

Attached our(Reefton) submission for next season and essentially the same emails I sent them on behalf of Kumara.  They ignored it of course because they 'couldn't work out how to schedule it'.  Not quite sure what the  fourth and early part of the fifth pages amounted to if not detailing of how to schedule it(INCLUDING the effects on North Island meetings)   

Submission on the Draft 2022-23 Racing Calendar 4 Feb 2021.pdf

[Reefton]

Note of course also the savings available to individuals and the industry overall as detailed on page five.  Saving money is a foreign concept to these chappies(that's what happens when you don't write your own cheques!)

I did work put how they would slot in 2024 but buggered if I know how I did it.  Suspect perhaps Reefton moving to the following week Tuesday or Wednesday.  Greymouth the third(non holiday) Kumara 6th and Reefton 9th or 10th.  That will leave them Waikouaiti, Gore and Riccarton as the features for the following Saturdays in January.  Waikouaiti should never have been shifted from New Years Day - even if a reluctant venue shift they should be on that day as a feature.

But you cannot tell these guys.  I really don't know why they even invite submissions on the dates - I spend hours working it out for them then they ignore it anyway.  Don't know why I bother

[Huey]

4 hours ago, Reefton said:

Note of course also the savings available to individuals and the industry overall as detailed on page five.  Saving money is a foreign concept to these chappies(that's what happens when you don't write your own cheques!)

I did work put how they would slot in 2024 but buggered if I know how I did it.  Suspect perhaps Reefton moving to the following week Tuesday or Wednesday.  Greymouth the third(non holiday) Kumara 6th and Reefton 9th or 10th.  That will leave them Waikouaiti, Gore and Riccarton as the features for the following Saturdays in January.  Waikouaiti should never have been shifted from New Years Day - even if a reluctant venue shift they should be on that day as a feature.

But you cannot tell these guys.  I really don't know why they even invite submissions on the dates - I spend hours working it out for them then they ignore it anyway.  Don't know why I bother

Lets be honest you could submit the same submission every year for the next 5 years (doubtful we have that long, but you get the drift) and it would have the same outcome i.e. doesn't get looked at ,ignored etc ... the direction they are going is already well established.

[Reefton]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Lets be honest you could submit the same submission every year for the next 5 years (doubtful we have that long, but you get the drift) and it would have the same outcome i.e. doesn't get looked at ,ignored etc ... the direction they are going is already well established.

yep they are going through the motions all right

'They played the Ukelele as the Ship went down'

Only thing if you don't submit they will say 'you had your opportunity'

[Doomed]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

For the life of me I can't work out why the industry administrators are intent on staying on this path to self destruction.

Can't they see stakeholders walking out with their feet with their kit bags over their shoulders?

It will be the administrators closing the lights off well after there are no horses or trainers or jockeys or owners.  They'll then sell the assets to pay their redundancy packages and retire.

A plea to the administrators some of you need to retire NOW!

Sadly, I suspect they are quite happy to see certain people leaving. It is exactly what they want to achieve. They want to centralise everything on a few favoured tracks with their favoured trainers. Just imagine if one or two of the golden boys decide to leave, that would really put some cats amongst the pidgeons.

I certainly have nothing aganst those favoured trainers, but it is a very short sighted approach. Just imagine if the Aussies had said no to Waller, Busuttin and Baker when they tried to move in. I'm sure Queensland is delighted to have Taplin, whereas those that run NZ racing are quite happy to see him go. Strange old world.

[Doomed]

8 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Just to add some here have suggested Timaru should have got Jan 1 a feature meet, Waikouiti was definitely fucked  at that day, whether Riverton on jan 1 is exactly the right day  not sure after all Omakau always raced jan 3 and Tuetapere have a sports day on jan 1 that must attracts a lot that might otherwise have gone racing, no easy answers, I say Timaru should get a feature day,  maybe more than 1 , a Saturday in spring leading up to cup week would make them more relevant, would also take the weight off Riccarton.

My word Mikey, that is the best thing you have ever written. You should frame it.

[Huey]

26 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Sadly, I suspect they are quite happy to see certain people leaving. It is exactly what they want to achieve. They want to centralise everything on a few favoured tracks with their favoured trainers. Just imagine if one or two of the golden boys decide to leave, that would really put some cats amongst the pidgeons.

I certainly have nothing aganst those favoured trainers, but it is a very short sighted approach. Just imagine if the Aussies had said no to Waller, Busuttin and Baker when they tried to move in. I'm sure Queensland is delighted to have Taplin, whereas those that run NZ racing are quite happy to see him go. Strange old world.

One of the great delusions here is that our administrators and in some cases the golden boys still think nzracing is something the world wants, especially once they destroy it and set it up ala HK style.

It won't work , the ones they are doing their best to get rid of are largely the only ones interested in it in the first place.

[Chief Stipe]

I see the shifted a race meeting to the Coloundra Poly AWT due to wet weather further south.  53 scratchings from an 8 race card.  Is that a sign of the popularity of these tracks amongst trainers?  I recall @Joe Bloggs frequently commenting on this polytrack as being particularly unpopular amongst trainers.

[mikeynz]

14 hours ago, Doomed said:

My word Mikey, that is the best thing you have ever written. You should frame it.

Seems you are never gunna please everybody all the time, we all see things differently, the calandar has always had some hiccups with the way the days fall, sometimes the administrators make calls that might not please everyone but that's the way it is, they changed that Hawkes Bay Jan 1 day forward a day, that was always a very poor meeting, probably wouldn't have mattered if they scrubbed it completely, maybe if they scrubbed those 2 meetings in Tauranga and Rotorua could have a couple of days at Gisborne, a popular holiday spot but what do I know.

Reefton quite rightly stands up for his own area, everything revolves around Kumara, he always wants 4 days, no reason why that can't happen and Wingatui still have that weekend date as well, few horses that go west go to Wingatui anyway,

On another note it seems a bit odd that Riverton don't race again this year, Gore has. 6 month break, racing again in September, yet the tracks often look in good condition,Gore are a enigma, they want their track to stay open but don't want the harness racing,  Riverton yesty looked good even though heavy yet Riccarton race often, yet often looks badly beaten up, maybe there is a simple reason for that, the climate in the South especially late  winter can be fickle, sharing the load regarding venues makes sense, closing some venues and overworking those left don't.

My thoughts but what do I know?