The Leavers List

[Huey]

Lets make a list of those trainers(2022 onwards) etc who haven't heard about the benefits AWT racing, a new licensing regime , Super Club mergers and asset rationalisation amongst a plethora of other initiatives (green shoots) being rolled out in NZ to take this sport to the next level ! (that level may go up or down and is subject to change without notice), any I've missed to date?

 

J. Richards

Taplins

E & D Browne

Colletts

 

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Lets make a list of those trainers(2022 onwards) etc who haven't heard about the benefits AWT racing, a new licensing regime , Super Club mergers and asset rationalisation amongst a plethora of other initiatives (green shoots) being rolled out in NZ to take this sport to the next level ! (that level may go up or down and is subject to change without notice), any I've missed to date?

 

J. Richards

Taplins

E & D Browne

Colletts

 

Are the Taplins really going to oz or just speculation ?

[Chimbu]

17 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Are the Taplins really going to oz or just speculation ?

I thought one of the presenters or the commentator on Sat. said that their last runners were going round that day & that they are due to take over their new property in Oz (somewhere in Brisbane, I think) on 30 June. If I am wrong or someone knows more, I'm sure they'll correct me and/or post more in response. 

 

[mikeynz]

6 runners at Riverton.

[Freda]

4 hours ago, Chimbu said:

I thought one of the presenters or the commentator on Sat. said that their last runners were going round that day & that they are due to take over their new property in Oz (somewhere in Brisbane, I think) on 30 June. If I am wrong or someone knows more, I'm sure they'll correct me and/or post more in response. 

 

Definitely leaving...property sold.

Obviously they'll be making decisions as to the futures of those horses still here.

[Freda]

5 hours ago, Huey said:

Lets make a list of those trainers(2022 onwards) etc who haven't heard about the benefits AWT racing, a new licensing regime , Super Club mergers and asset rationalisation amongst a plethora of other initiatives (green shoots) being rolled out in NZ to take this sport to the next level ! (that level may go up or down and is subject to change without notice), any I've missed to date?

 

J. Richards

Taplins

E & D Browne

Colletts

 

Craig Thornton 

Possibly, Tylers  - although just on holiday with some ponies at the moment. 

Placings yesterday I see.

[Chimbu]

I don't think Samantha Collett intends to return to NZ anytime soon, either 

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Freda said:

Craig Thornton 

Possibly, Tylers  - although just on holiday with some ponies at the moment. 

Placings yesterday I see.

I think the Tyler's are involved in dairy farming too , I think  and Taplins getting out of it so in reality the horses are or were probably an xtra which probably mostly come second to the farm,  which probably sums up  the southern scene, lots of small trainers.

But if the Tyler's stopped would still leave a big hole, will they, who knows, still moving to Queensland  would certainly be big difference from Southland, not just the racing.

[mikeynz]

Here is a question, someone must know..............has a horse trained in Southland ever started in a Melbourne Cup.

[Huey]

52 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

I think the Tyler's are involved in dairy farming too , I think  and Taplins getting out of it so in reality the horses are or were probably an xtra which probably mostly come second to the farm,  which probably sums up  the southern scene, lots of small trainers.

 

Venture to say it sums up a large % of the nz training scene, not just the SI.

[billy connolly]

2 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Here is a question, someone must know..............has a horse trained in Southland ever started in a Melbourne Cup.

Stormy Seas, originally Southland trained but Australian trained when 5th in 1972 MC.

 

[Doomed]

I think the managers of any industry where a significant number of major participants suddenly up sticks and leave should be concerned. And people should rightly be entitled to ask said managers whether there was anything they could have done better, and whether they are doing anything to stop others following.

The Taplins taking off and Tylers and Dennis winding down is pretty much the equivalent of Te Akau, Marsh and Pike all saying " we're off". At what point does all this start being a concern to NZTR? By the time they get around to selling off Waimate and Wairoa and build another dozen or so AWTs the industry will be virtually stuffed.

[Freda]

17 hours ago, Huey said:

Lets make a list of those trainers(2022 onwards) etc who haven't heard about the benefits AWT racing, a new licensing regime , Super Club mergers and asset rationalisation amongst a plethora of other initiatives (green shoots) being rolled out in NZ to take this sport to the next level ! (that level may go up or down and is subject to change without notice), any I've missed to date?

 

J. Richards

Taplins

E & D Browne

Colletts

 

Speaking specifically about the S.I...as well as the above-mentioned Taplin, Tyler, Dennis...we have Jo Gordon and Jo Dalton, capable and hard-working women, but doing most if not all the riding themselves.  Along with Sally McKay, who has already had more accidents than she needs, they are only a decent head-knock from being unable to carry on, as staff is, apparently, next to impossible to find in those regions.

Tommy Beckett another, Steve Blair-Edie  no riding staff either, Lee Callaway has been commuting from Waikouaiti to help him, but that can't continue indefinitely.

The possibility of Terry Kennedy moving on has to be considered, given the rapid housing development in and around his region, and he has a large team.  Would be a huge loss.

Timaru, on the other hand, hosts good-size and successful operations with both Len Stewart and Bruce Tapper lining up plenty.

The thought of eliminating Timaru [ apart from the loss of a good facility ] removes both those teams from the district, the brains trust hasn't thought of the implications there either, because neither is likely to relocate to ChCh.  

Further north - Coulbeck winding down and the Parsons partnership, both getting on and not in good health, takes another very big chunk of horseflesh out of the mix.

Kenny Moore, downsized already,  Steven Woodsford, another who gets excellent results with a team not large and based at Rangiora which is also gone-burger; the only ones who are both young and have their own property in that region are Ashley Frye [ along with father Danny ]  and Centaine Spittles.

But, hey, Te Akau , Pike, Marsh,  and Forsman are going well and plenty in work in the Waikato.

Bright prospects for Mr Greenshoots to enthuse about.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, Freda said:

Speaking specifically about the S.I...as well as the above-mentioned Taplin, Tyler, Dennis...we have Jo Gordon and Jo Dalton, capable and hard-working women, but doing most if not all the riding themselves.  Along with Sally McKay, who has already had more accidents than she needs, they are only a decent head-knock from being unable to carry on, as staff is, apparently, next to impossible to find in those regions.

Tommy Beckett another, Steve Blair-Edie  no riding staff either, Lee Callaway has been commuting from Waikouaiti to help him, but that can't continue indefinitely.

The possibility of Terry Kennedy moving on has to be considered, given the rapid housing development in and around his region, and he has a large team.  Would be a huge loss.

Timaru, on the other hand, hosts good-size and successful operations with both Len Stewart and Bruce Tapper lining up plenty.

The thought of eliminating Timaru [ apart from the loss of a good facility ] removes both those teams from the district, the brains trust hasn't thought of the implications there either, because neither is likely to relocate to ChCh.  

Further north - Coulbeck winding down and the Parsons partnership, both getting on and not in good health, takes another very big chunk of horseflesh out of the mix.

Kenny Moore, downsized already,  Steven Woodsford, another who gets excellent results with a team not large and based at Rangiora which is also gone-burger; the only ones who are both young and have their own property in that region are Ashley Frye [ along with father Danny ]  and Centaine Spittles.

But, hey, Te Akau , Pike, Marsh,  and Forsman are going well and plenty in work in the Waikato.

Bright prospects for Mr Greenshoots to enthuse about.

Clearly the plan is to race for big stakes at Mega Clubs, but NZ racing being what it is those in charge don't seem to understand that there needs to be a platform there for that sort of thing to happen. You can't just anniliate the base and expect things to continue as they have in the past ,  it doesn't and won't work like that.

For every action there is a reaction and thats something our industry leaders are incapable of understanding.

Watch what happens when Mr Greenshoots begins his rationalisation program , then you'll really get to see the strength or lack thereof the industry. One only has to look at the ATC for a preview of what is to come.

[holy ravioli]

In the end people have to make rational decisions.

Younger participants in the industry will increasingly vote with their...feet.

The risk/reward ratio does not add up for riders or trainers.

Everyone sees it and no one has any remedies-the market here is just too small.

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Everyone sees it and no one has any remedies-the market here is just too small

There ARE remedies however the Administrators don't SEE them.

Unfortunately we can't convert the single biggest capital investment in NZ  racing history in to a positive revenue earning one.  I'm referring to the AWT's.

[Chief Stipe]

On 10/05/2022 at 8:04 AM, Huey said:

Watch what happens when Mr Greenshoots begins his rationalisation program , then you'll really get to see the strength or lack thereof the industry. One only has to look at the ATC for a preview of what is to come.

Yes and it's a very flawed strategy.  The preferred metro tracks are high cost models of operation.  They operate in a competitive entertainment environment I.e. Ellerslie isn't the only gig in town.

Whereas in the smaller communities racing doesn't have the same competition and locals have a greater affinity with the land.  Jobs are scarcer and so a riding apprenticeship for a young horse enthusiast of small stature who has been to the local races has a career path.

[Chief Stipe]

The strength and strategic advantage of NZ racing has ALWAYS been the provinces.  Why kill it?  Just doesn't make any sense.

If these muppets running the show think they have the skills and nous to compete in the entertainment/hospitality industry in the metro's they are dreaming.

Get back to promoting the core product.

[holy ravioli]

If you think about it, promoting the provincial scene is a good strategy.

The big clubs have big expenses and their return on assets is poor.

With mediocre numbers attending most city racedays and the reality of online betting, boosting provincial racing would give a much needed boost to regional economies.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, holy ravioli said:

If you think about it, promoting the provincial scene is a good strategy.

The big clubs have big expenses and their return on assets is poor.

With mediocre numbers attending most city racedays and the reality of online betting, boosting provincial racing would give a much needed boost to regional economies.

Not only that, it's more likely the place a large proportion of staff and future industry participants will come from. But I liken our governing body to the types of people who think babies are delivered by storks , they have absolutely no idea what makes it all tick.

But you cannot tell the likes of NZTR anything,  there is a narrative in place and they will likely follow it come hell or high-water at the absolute expense of the industry.