Brodie Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 What is happening to our harness racing when we have only 5 2 year old fillies racing for $30k in June?? How has it got so bad that 2 months from turning 3 years old, we only have 5 fillies that want to race for 30k? Reality is that there are not that many owners or trainers that want to race against the AllStars as they are so difficult to beat but surely there must be more 2 year old fillies around? Yes many will say that it is up to other trainers to lift their game to compete with the Blue and Silver colours, but anyone with half a brain will know that it isn’t going to happen! As Brodie has been saying for many years now, the domination by AllStars of the bigger stakes races is hugely detrimental in progressing harness racing! Seems pretty pointless that the NZ TAB has brought out the Fixed Odds early for this 5 horse race! Anyway, hope everyone has an enjoyable Queens Birthday weekend.👍 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Brodie said: What is happening to our harness racing when we have only 5 2 year old fillies racing for $30k in June?? How has it got so bad that 2 months from turning 3 years old, we only have 5 fillies that want to race for 30k? Reality is that there are not that many owners or trainers that want to race against the AllStars as they are so difficult to beat but surely there must be more 2 year old fillies around? Yes many will say that it is up to other trainers to lift their game to compete with the Blue and Silver colours, but anyone with half a brain will know that it isn’t going to happen! As Brodie has been saying for many years now, the domination by AllStars of the bigger stakes races is hugely detrimental in progressing harness racing! Seems pretty pointless that the NZ TAB has brought out the Fixed Odds early for this 5 horse race! Anyway, hope everyone has an enjoyable Queens Birthday weekend.👍 Maybe they should run a race barring the Purdons. Probably get some ballots.😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes many will say that it is up to other trainers to lift their game to compete with the Blue and Silver colours, but anyone with half a brain will know that it isn’t going to happen! Well Dunns did a good job dominating trots past couple of years . Sundee and Highgrove winning all sorts of things (Oscar did win a group 1 though for Allstars, so Mark didn'rt miss out altogeather) Hope stable trotters in turn taking it up to Sundee with Muscle Mountain , etc. so all good ??? Pacers section saw Ray Green with Copy That knocking off Allstars champion in the NZ Cup ??? American Dealer went ok as well. all good ?? .... Krug took the Derby double last season. So My Half Brain tells me the other Trainers are doing Fine !!! lol...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Brodie said: y 5 2 year old fillies racing for $30k in June?? How has it got so bad that 2 months from turning 3 years old, Catch up Brodster. They turn 3 for racing purposes at January 1st. you not on the money again ???? The big November Carnival will host great 2 year old races this year in all likelihood.???? AND why is Olivia driving these 2 year olds on Sunday ? and Not Nat ? are Allstars trying to get beat ?? lol....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Catch up Brodster. They turn 3 for racing purposes at January 1st. you not on the money again ???? The big November Carnival will host great 2 year old races this year in all likelihood.???? AND why is Olivia driving these 2 year olds on Sunday ? and Not Nat ? are Allstars trying to get beat ?? lol....... Gamma, well aware that the new season and horse birth date is now January however it was always previously always August, and we used to have far more than 5 fillies willing to race for $30k!!! Reality is that the no.s have been dropping for many years! Many of us know that it is not financially viable to race a horse nowadays as there is very little chance of winning decent money with AllStars plundering the big stakes! We were told that Purdon/Rasmussen were taking an enforced break from training, however that was a load of BS! The rumour mill has advised us why they were going to do that!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Brodie said: The rumour mill has advised us why they were going to do that!! So the "rumour mill" was wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Brodie said: We were told that Purdon/Rasmussen were taking an enforced break from training, however that was a load of BS! The rumour mill has advised us why they were going to do that!! Well it seems they are not driving this Sunday either. That Gives the rivals heaps of chance to win then in my book ? surely the rivals fancy out-driving Cox (recently beaten on many ,many Allstars runners and the junior Olivia T on others ?. Allstars (Mark and Nat ) appear to be giving rivals ample chance to beat them ? and yet you still grizzle.... oh well.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 52 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So the "rumour mill" was wrong? Na I doubt it was Chief! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Well it seems they are not driving this Sunday either. That Gives the rivals heaps of chance to win then in my book ? surely the rivals fancy out-driving Cox (recently beaten on many ,many Allstars runners and the junior Olivia T on others ?. Allstars (Mark and Nat ) appear to be giving rivals ample chance to beat them ? and yet you still grizzle.... oh well.... Gamma, the Sapling Stakes is a farce nowadays, it used to be a respected race, but no longer! $50k stake and we now have a field whittled down to 7 which is pathetic!!!!! 4 of the 7 starters are AllStars and they will probably run 1,2,3,4 unfortunately! This is serious for harness racing in NZ and hard to see how it is going to improve as owners and trainers get the stitch from shelling out big dollars to get buggerall back! With the cost of living currently due to our incompetent bunch in Wellington it is hard to see any new owners being enticed into ownership of harness horses in the future! The support races on Sunday racing for amounts of $9k to my mind is hardly inspiring for owners when they were racing for more than this several decades ago!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: Gamma, the Sapling Stakes is a farce nowadays, it used to be a respected race, but no longer! $50k stake and we now have a field whittled down to 7 which is pathetic!!!!! 4 of the 7 starters are AllStars and they will probably run 1,2,3,4 unfortunately! This is serious for harness racing in NZ and hard to see how it is going to improve as owners and trainers get the stitch from shelling out big dollars to get buggerall back! With the cost of living currently due to our incompetent bunch in Wellington it is hard to see any new owners being enticed into ownership of harness horses in the future! The support races on Sunday racing for amounts of $9k to my mind is hardly inspiring for owners when they were racing for more than this several decades ago!! I know you have long felt apocalyptic opinion regarding your nation and trotting Brodster , but chin Up mate. No feature race is a farce (Yole loads Tas trotting fields with 10 runners sometimes , Now That's a Farce !! lol..) Maybe the fillies should of gone in with colts ??? 12 horse field then . And a good race. Still there were plenty at the yearling sales shelling out Big bucks. NOT just Allstars clients. Herlihy did well the other night and won the time-honoured Rowe Cup. and spends up. His lovely wife Suzanne gets her girl-friends involved and they all race horses in shares togeather and have FUN. Think she is still in old Temporale too ?. So get a mogb togeather like that, and you can race one . easy peesey. $9k races are FINE. as long as your trainer good enough to keep running placings. More chance if only 7 in it too lol... (any race ) I'd be quite happy to be racing one or 2 in Auckland these days with the smaller fields. Bound to get in the money rather than those horrid 14 horse fields that were the norm for a long time? . (AND were Extremely hard to Win ) (unless you are Gammalite😉) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 10 hours ago, Gammalite said: I know you have long felt apocalyptic opinion regarding your nation and trotting Brodster , but chin Up mate. No feature race is a farce (Yole loads Tas trotting fields with 10 runners sometimes , Now That's a Farce !! lol..) Maybe the fillies should of gone in with colts ??? 12 horse field then . And a good race. Still there were plenty at the yearling sales shelling out Big bucks. NOT just Allstars clients. Herlihy did well the other night and won the time-honoured Rowe Cup. and spends up. His lovely wife Suzanne gets her girl-friends involved and they all race horses in shares togeather and have FUN. Think she is still in old Temporale too ?. So get a mogb togeather like that, and you can race one . easy peesey. $9k races are FINE. as long as your trainer good enough to keep running placings. More chance if only 7 in it too lol... (any race ) I'd be quite happy to be racing one or 2 in Auckland these days with the smaller fields. Bound to get in the money rather than those horrid 14 horse fields that were the norm for a long time? . (AND were Extremely hard to Win ) (unless you are Gammalite😉) Great to be optimistic Gamma, and certainly would love harness racing to thrive both in NEW ZEALAND and Australia! It is just a sad indictment when there are 7 or less horses racing in the 3 biggest stakes races at Ashburton Queens Birthday! Harness is at a crossroads currently. Yes syndicates are great to get people involved and there are several people in NZ doing a fantastic job. Believe we are not attracting enough owners or new punters into the sport going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 There never used to be a 2yo fillies race on Sapling Stakes day. They used to take their chance against the boys on the grass. I remember Melton Monarch winning one and other very good horses. Where did that fillies races come from? I see it is a group race, but they seem to hand them out in corn flakes packets in harness racing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Stonewall Stud headed home with most of the high priced yearlings from the February sales, some of which would have been on Allstars shopping list. It will make next seasons two year old races interesting. It may be difficult for Purdon to maintain his dominance to the same extent 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 7:33 PM, Brodie said: What is happening to our harness racing when we have only 5 2 year old fillies racing for $30k in June?? How has it got so bad that 2 months from turning 3 years old, we only have 5 fillies that want to race for 30k? Reality is that there are not that many owners or trainers that want to race against the AllStars as they are so difficult to beat but surely there must be more 2 year old fillies around? Yes many will say that it is up to other trainers to lift their game to compete with the Blue and Silver colours, but anyone with half a brain will know that it isn’t going to happen! As Brodie has been saying for many years now, the domination by AllStars of the bigger stakes races is hugely detrimental in progressing harness racing! Seems pretty pointless that the NZ TAB has brought out the Fixed Odds early for this 5 horse race! Anyway, hope everyone has an enjoyable Queens Birthday weekend.👍 Mate, I think this government is getting to you. Get your act together. Horses do not turn three until January 1 now. Age races have always been weak at this time of the season, five or six horses was the norm back in the 80s. Back then of course they were often ruin as non-totes. You might be right about the All Stars in this case because it looks like Milwood Nike could be something special. It is also good to see that the All Stars are giving Olivia de Havilland Thornley drives on better horses. She is driving well these due to experience and better horses. Frankly, it is not worth betting at this time of year but that is nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Davis said: Mate, I think this government is getting to you. Get your act together. Horses do not turn three until January 1 now. Age races have always been weak at this time of the season, five or six horses was the norm back in the 80s. Back then of course they were often ruin as non-totes. You might be right about the All Stars in this case because it looks like Milwood Nike could be something special. It is also good to see that the All Stars are giving Olivia de Havilland Thornley drives on better horses. She is driving well these due to experience and better horses. Frankly, it is not worth betting at this time of year but that is nothing new. Davis, yes I know the season date and horse birthday has changed. My point was that we used to have 2 year old races starting in November and yet here we have June and we onLy have 5 fillies starting in a $30k race! Certainly pointless betting into 5 horse races but there have been some races that can be profitable at this time, if you can get enough on! Yes the hopeless Labour Party has got to me, just unbelievable how citizens can think that they are doing a good job. Just an absolute mess they have made of everything and we still have another year or more to go! They are all diabolical but what would you expect differently when there is not one that has had any success in life Edited June 4, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 10:24 PM, Brodie said: The support races on Sunday racing for amounts of $9k to my mind is hardly inspiring for owners when they were racing for more than this several decades ago!! Oh really? Please advise what supporting races were being run for "several decades ago"? I doubt you are on the money again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Michael said: Oh really? Please advise what supporting races were being run for "several decades ago"? I doubt you are on the money again 1992 slightly more than half in nominal terms, corresponding to roughly the same real. So not exactly on the money, but, surprisingly, not completely off it either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) Can’t read Michaels posts as I blocked the Clown, but what I said that the amount that the supporting races were at $9k, they were racing for more than this decades ago!!!!!!!!! Edited June 5, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Can’t read Michaels posts as I blocked the Clown, but what I said that the amount that the supporting races were at $9k, they were racing for more than this decades ago!!!!!!!!! Yes, but back in those decades, in the milkshake and arsenic tonic days, two or three stables won most of the loot. Horses transferred to Lischner/Barron overnight gained lengths in performance... across town the arsenic "tonic" had similar results... Mate, I think this government is getting to you. I understand but try and not take it so seriously mate. It's not good for mental health. There's nothing you can do but just ride it out... the end will happen some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) Brodie. "Can’t read Michaels posts as I blocked the Clown, but what I said that the amount that the supporting races were at $9k, they were racing for more than this decades ago!!!!!!!!!" Oh really? Perhaps you can give us some examples Edited June 5, 2022 by Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 13 hours ago, Basil said: 1992 slightly more than half in nominal terms, corresponding to roughly the same real. So not exactly on the money, but, surprisingly, not completely off it either. Come on Basil. Brodie didn't say "stakes when adjusted for inflation were higher" He merely said they "were more" As you have pointed out they weren't, they were slightly over half He's never on the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 50 minutes ago, Michael said: Come on Basil. Brodie didn't say "stakes when adjusted for inflation were higher" He merely said they "were more" As you have pointed out they weren't, they were slightly over half He's never on the money Do you have anything to contribute other than your personal crusade against one poster? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 I didnt say anything about stakes being higher when inflation adjusted?????. They were higher than $9k decades ago!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Do you have anything to contribute other than you personal crusade against one poster? Its OK Chief, Michael has still got anger problems, and I can understand that! If it makes him feel better then he can have a tirade against Brodie as Bullies will always be Bullies! I blocked him so as long as he thinks he is winning then thats all good lol Edited June 5, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Brodie said: Its OK Chief, Michael has still got anger problems, and I can understand that! If it makes him feel better then he can have a tirade against Brodie as Bullies will always be Bullies! I blocked him so as long as he thinks he is winning then thats all good lol Mate, look after yourself. You are getting a bit obsessive about the government. Take a break mate for your mental health. It's no good trying to find against it, futile, it has to run its course mate, the Clowns will go to far eventually... until then. Chill out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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