Brodie Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Just read on HRNZ site that Wee Man Trouble won a group one trot at Albion Park last night! Second was Credit Master, 3rd was Majestic Harry and 4th Doth Your Cap! Is it any wonder the Ozzies are still buying our horses as they can win big races with average horses from NZ! All four horses had some ability but certainly would not be that competitive in our bigger trot races here! Ozzie red horses are just so inferior to the Kiwi bred racehorses! Good on Luke Whittaker for driving his first Group One winner . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, Brodie said: Is it any wonder the Ozzies are still buying our horses as they can win big races with average horses from NZ! All four horses had some ability but certainly would not be that competitive in our bigger trot races here! Ozzie red horses are just so inferior to the Kiwi bred racehorses! Oz Been buying horses ever since Village Kid did so well in the west. I think you are being a bit hard on your trainers by saying they're not competitive there. There would of been many many hours put in to the preparation of those 4 trotters in their early days in NZ and the Oz trainers can capitilize on that good work and keep them going in later racing life . like Tornado Valley recent years.? (They should send Temporale to Gaths to win same races he did) Horses all winning in both countries and show-casing the talents of the horsemen in both countries. So all good mate. fine trainers and drivers everywhere. As for the breeding well , It's ALL AMERICAN isn't it?. There are Bettor's Delight (Such as Leap of Fame the Derby winner last night) and Art Major's (e.g Majestic Cruiser winning the Grand Circuit event last night) , Sweet Lou's , AlwaysBMiki , being bred in Both countries , so it doesn't really matter any more . Wouldn't say our latest Oz stars are inferior at all . the Oaks winner beating the NZ horse Amore Vita in the Oaks last night is by Courage Under Fire ?, but bred in Australia . so again , doesn't really matter any more. Just enjoy the racing i reckon. Majestic Cruiser and Leap to Fame both very impressive last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Oz Been buying horses ever since Village Kid did so well in the west. I think you are being a bit hard on your trainers by saying they're not competitive there. There would of been many many hours put in to the preparation of those 4 trotters in their early days in NZ and the Oz trainers can capitilize on that good work and keep them going in later racing life . like Tornado Valley recent years.? (They should send Temporale to Gaths to win same races he did) Horses all winning in both countries and show-casing the talents of the horsemen in both countries. So all good mate. fine trainers and drivers everywhere. As for the breeding well , It's ALL AMERICAN isn't it?. There are Bettor's Delight (Such as Leap of Fame the Derby winner last night) and Art Major's (e.g Majestic Cruiser winning the Grand Circuit event last night) , Sweet Lou's , AlwaysBMiki , being bred in Both countries , so it doesn't really matter any more . Wouldn't say our latest Oz stars are inferior at all . the Oaks winner beating the NZ horse Amore Vita in the Oaks last night is by Courage Under Fire ?, but bred in Australia . so again , doesn't really matter any more. Just enjoy the racing i reckon. Majestic Cruiser and Leap to Fame both very impressive last night. Gamma, yes Ozzies have been buying NZ bred horses for decades as they know that NZ raced horses are far superior to their own. Yes the NZ trainers do a good job developing them and then they are sold to Oz to race against inferior horses in Oz and they are easier to place there. There are that many cases of our horses that are well past their best and go over to Oz and win heaps Yes we use the same stallions in both countries in a big way but why do the Ozzies want to buy our Bettors Delights etc. if the horses are just as good there? Yes there are plenty of Ozzie stars and just as well but tgink you will find if they are bred in Oz they will come from NZ families. Not putting down NZ trainers of those trotters at all Gamma, just saying that our horses generally past their best can clean up the best trotters Ozzy has. The first four home would not be winning any Group races in NZ if they were still here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, Brodie said: Gamma, yes Ozzies have been buying NZ bred horses for decades as they know that NZ raced horses are far superior to their own. Yes the NZ trainers do a good job developing them and then they are sold to Oz to race against inferior horses in Oz and they are easier to place there. There are that many cases of our horses that are well past their best and go over to Oz and win heaps Yes we use the same stallions in both countries in a big way but why do the Ozzies want to buy our Bettors Delights etc. if the horses are just as good there? Yes there are plenty of Ozzie stars and just as well but tgink you will find if they are bred in Oz they will come from NZ families. Not putting down NZ trainers of those trotters at all Gamma, just saying that our horses generally past their best can clean up the best trotters Ozzy has. The first four home would not be winning any Group races in NZ if they were still here. Sort of want to agree with some of that and sort of not. A horse is a horse , there have been several world class performers bred in Oz that can match it with Nz over the years. You being in Nz, is exposed to mainly the Nz ones and only had glimpses of Popular Alm , Westburn Grant, Gammalite, Pure Steel , Maori's Idol, Blacks A Fake , Beautide and 100's more............, inferior certainly not a word I would use. Yes what you say is true in that it's a big nation and easier to place your horse in Aus. Indeed racing in Brisbane we can pick and choose what day of the week we want to race in general , every week. It's very good. But please don't forget , even though you have some horses 'past their best' as you put it with your 4 trotters last night , The VAST MAJORITY are purchased as young developing horses over the decades , to be able to have a whole racing career ahead of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 57 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes we use the same stallions in both countries in a big way but why do the Ozzies want to buy our Bettors Delights etc. if the horses are just as good there? To answer your question Brodie , what you have, and Australia does not is Bloodstock Agents. We have no-one (agencies) looking at horses here to sell to Nz cllients . (a fading industry there?) But there's always smart kiwi marketing (bloodstock) people who have Australian markets to sell to. I worked with South Auckland Standardbred Agency with John Devlin and and flew out of NewZealand with a plane load of purchases for Australian clients including Lightning Blue who had won his only 2 year old start at Morrinsville. Later returned to win the NZ Cup and Interdominion at Addington. 'Nothing' we flew out with, was well past their best as you often think. crikey even Amazing Dream has flown out now. There was a market ... so some smart kiwis sold to it (and still do mate) ... and sadly we left Nz trotting in decline because of it. I really regret being involved in it now , seeing the result of these sales . (small fields , not many training , and all the problems left in Nz harness ) hope it doesn't become 'inferior' or anything??. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 It's his second Group 1 win actually. But to underline your point Global Flight also won a G1 a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 14 hours ago, Gammalite said: Sort of want to agree with some of that and sort of not. A horse is a horse , there have been several world class performers bred in Oz that can match it with Nz over the years. You being in Nz, is exposed to mainly the Nz ones and only had glimpses of Popular Alm , Westburn Grant, Gammalite, Pure Steel , Maori's Idol, Blacks A Fake , Beautide and 100's more............, inferior certainly not a word I would use. Yes what you say is true in that it's a big nation and easier to place your horse in Aus. Indeed racing in Brisbane we can pick and choose what day of the week we want to race in general , every week. It's very good. But please don't forget , even though you have some horses 'past their best' as you put it with your 4 trotters last night , The VAST MAJORITY are purchased as young developing horses over the decades , to be able to have a whole racing career ahead of them. My old mate Brodie is being a bit harsh mate. There wouldn't be many better than Blacks A Fake, a pure Australian product Fake Left from a Vanston Hanover mare. He won four Interdoms and just beaten in a fifth. Trained in Australia of course by Natalie Rasmussen who now trains in partnership with Mark Purdon in NZ. I think NZ is the winner for her coming here. Majestic Cruiser must be No. 1 or No. 2 best pacer in Australasia at the moment? He'll be very dangerous in the Interdoms later this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I'm a damn sight luckier than most as I got to see the best ever, well in my opinion anyway, Hondo, Paleface, Koala King, Gamma, Pure Steel, Markovina, and Young Quinn, I strapped Cardi, and got to drive Paleface home from Picken Oval to Bill Wilkins stables in Croydon Park in 73....Billy had Bangaroo Flex at the time, how fucking lucky was I? I wont die a millionaire but you can't put value on what I've seen...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 15 hours ago, Spatchcock said: It's his second Group 1 win actually. But to underline your point Global Flight also won a G1 a few weeks ago. Whose second Group 1 Spatchcock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Davis said: My old mate Brodie is being a bit harsh mate. There wouldn't be many better than Blacks A Fake, a pure Australian product Fake Left from a Vanston Hanover mare. He won four Interdoms and just beaten in a fifth. Trained in Australia of course by Natalie Rasmussen who now trains in partnership with Mark Purdon in NZ. I think NZ is the winner for her coming here. Majestic Cruiser must be No. 1 or No. 2 best pacer in Australasia at the moment? He'll be very dangerous in the Interdoms later this year. 3 hours ago, Davis said: My old mate Brodie is being a bit harsh mate. There wouldn't be many better than Blacks A Fake, a pure Australian product Fake Left from a Vanston Hanover mare. He won four Interdoms and just beaten in a fifth. Trained in Australia of course by Natalie Rasmussen who now trains in partnership with Mark Purdon in NZ. I think NZ is the winner for her coming here. Majestic Cruiser must be No. 1 or No. 2 best pacer in Australasia at the moment? He'll be very dangerous in the Interdoms later this year. Yes there are some champion horses bred in Oz for decades! However the average standardbred NZ is superior and always has been. If you put the non winners in Oz against the Kiwi horses they would be totally outclassed. You only have to look at the results every week that shows our past its best horses making the oZzie ones look mediocre. If this was not the case then why do the Ozzies bother to keep buying from here?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, Brodie said: Whose second Group 1 Spatchcock? 15 hours ago, Spatchcock said: It's his second Group 1 win actually. But to underline your point Global Flight also won a G1 a few weeks ago. Global Flight is from the Jenkins breed that has left good horses. I am not surprised the horse has improved in Australia. Jenkins is a fine trainer of trotters but his driving is not good costing his charges plenty of wins and his horses are often poor beginners. His daughter Amber is a better driver than her father. So if you buy a Jenkins horse you know that it probably can be improved often considerably,. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Whose second Group 1 Spatchcock? LOL Wee Man Trouble Won Darrell Alexander Memorial Trotting Championship Final not long after going to Australia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Brodie said: If this was not the case then why do the Ozzies bother to keep buying from here?? Because there's plenty of races to put them in Brodster. I'm a little surprised you were picking on those 4 trotters being past their best. They could of all competed togeather in NZ and ...... You could watch the same result as what was is in Brisbane the other night with WEE MAN TROUBLE and his compatriots, IF ONLY they would schedule a Race for them EVERY WEEK to race in. That is what you need there matey. I rate the horsemen training and driving them (both countries as very good) that's why they are all winning !!. Alas CREDIT MASTER for example (who ran 2nd to Wee Man Trouble) only found 10 races to race in , in the whole year !!!!!!???? last year in the North Island , nearly all off handicaps . and Won 1 race. The Aussie trainer this year NOT Afraid to travel , and has been all over Victoria , Won a Group 1 at Menangle NSW, and now up in Brisbane . 3 wins , a 2nd (on Sat night), and 3 x 4ths in 7 starts for $73,000. well done to him !!! why is he past his best as you say ? nothing wrong with those 4 trotters Brodster? . PEAK form of their lives IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: Because there's plenty of races to put them in Brodster. I'm a little surprised you were picking on those 4 trotters being past their best. They could of all competed togeather in NZ and ...... You could watch the same result as what was is in Brisbane the other night with WEE MAN TROUBLE and his compatriots, IF ONLY they would schedule a Race for them EVERY WEEK to race in. That is what you need there matey. I rate the horsemen training and driving them (both countries as very good) that's why they are all winning !!. Alas CREDIT MASTER for example (who ran 2nd to Wee Man Trouble) only found 10 races to race in , in the whole year !!!!!!???? last year in the North Island , nearly all off handicaps . and Won 1 race. The Aussie trainer this year NOT Afraid to travel , and has been all over Victoria , Won a Group 1 at Menangle NSW, and now up in Brisbane . 3 wins , a 2nd (on Sat night), and 3 x 4ths in 7 starts for $73,000. well done to him !!! why is he past his best as you say ? nothing wrong with those 4 trotters Brodster? . PEAK form of their lives IMO. Gamma, not picking on them, just pointing out that the owners clearly felt that taking the money from a sale in their opinion was going to be more lucrative than racing them in NZ! They all showed good ability but it was not going to be financially viable to continue to race here, so they were sold like hundreds lf horses each year. None of them would have been that competitive in a race such as the Dominion! Good to see that there is a market to Oz for owners in NZ that feel that their horse has a brighter future over the ditch! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 21 hours ago, Rangatira said: LOL Wee Man Trouble Won Darrell Alexander Memorial Trotting Championship Final not long after going to Australia Amazing so Luke Whittaker was driving it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Unhinged said: Amazing so Luke Whittaker was driving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 7/25/2022 at 1:40 AM, Spatchcock said: It's his second Group 1 win actually. But to underline your point Global Flight also won a G1 a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 58 minutes ago, Unhinged said: Amazing so Luke Whittaker was driving it. Sorry ranga reply was for the spatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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