the galah Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) I have been watching him drive recently,and i have formed the opinion he often goes out there to just follow them around.I could give several examples,but not much point. I don't think hes not trying,just lacks the desire he once had. I don't know how he will drive copy that,i'm guessing in advance he won't bother trying too hard.I keep saying racing at auckland is not very competitive. Just a shame they can't run more south island meetings instead.. Edited August 18, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) The drivers i like following up there who always give their horse a chance are the likes of todd mitchell,peter ferfyson,tony herlihy,james stormont,benjamin butcher and zev meridith. Edited August 18, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, the galah said: The drivers i like following up there who always give their horse a chance are the likes of ,peter ferfyson, who is this driver never heard of him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 Letters on keyboard didn't quite line up with the brain.Doesb't help when half of them seem to have worn off. "Missed by that much" as maxwell smart ,my favorite tv character used to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Mango goes alright. Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share Posted August 19, 2022 I see matt cross keeps going on about franco hoffman needing a draw at addington. It got me thinking about bob negus.I wonder if W house will drive a NZ cup winner? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, the galah said: I see matt cross keeps going on about franco hoffman needing a draw at addington. It got me thinking about bob negus.I wonder if W house will drive a NZ cup winner? Watching tonight you just wonder what the owners are thinking when their horse is given no chance of getting the money? Personally can not see much value in paying out thousands of dollars each month for your horse not to be put into the race! Drivers just sitting until into the straight after having a cozy run on the outside and not moving, to me is very frustrating! There is a huge void between the very good drivers and the others unfortunately! Drivers that just sit should be given the hard word from the Stipes but they are far too busy watching the drivers who use the whip that doesnt suit their limp wrist way!!!!!! Edited August 19, 2022 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Brodie said: Watching tonight you just wonder what the owners are thinking when their horse is given no chance of getting the money? Personally can not see much value in paying out thousands of dollars each month for your horse not to be put into the race! Drivers just sitting until into the straight after having a cozy run on the outside and not moving, to me is very frustrating! There is a huge void between the very good drivers and the others unfortunately! Drivers that just sit should be given the hard word from the Stipes but they are far too busy watching the drivers who use the whip that doesnt suit their limp wrist way!!!!!! I think W house has an alarm clock which he sets when he goes out for each drive.He sets it for a couple of minutes after each race is finished so he's awake for when he returns to the stables. To be fair. He is the most consistent driver to have driven for some time. You know what you are going to get when he drives,so punters shouldn't complain,but we still do of course. There are positives of course for the connections of his drives. They have an easy run and drop back in the ratings. I think that is the plan with the house horses a lot of the time. I've always been a fan of the House stable,and W house plays his part in their success if you look at the big picture.They pay the bills anyway,and when you look at the success the house stable has, it obviously works very well for them. Edited August 19, 2022 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) Another interesting observation of racing last night was the lack of moves by drivers. Of the 10 races,in only 2 were there moves from drivers to improve their position between the 1000m and 400m.. It highlights the importance of draws.If your horse doesn't go forward at the start,then unless there is excess tempo or excess pressure from the horse racing parked,then the reality is your not going to get a good result. A lot has to do with so many races being run over 1980. Thats why racing over 2600m is a better watch as those races generally have a drop off in tempo at some point and the good drivers take advantage of that. Thats why,unless you back the winner,a lot of punters are left with the feeling they didn't get a run for their money. I'm sure its part of the reason why its hard to attract new punters. If seasoned punters with an understanding of race patterns get frustrated, what must new punters think? As to Brodie and i talking about negative driving,i'm sure he is like me ,referring to horses with the capabilities of making a move to get a result,but driven by drivers who don't have a positive mindset. And there are some of those in most races. Edited August 19, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) Completely agree with you about McKendry, I've thought that for years. I've often wondered how he keeps getting good drives Edited August 19, 2022 by Robalan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Robalan said: Completely agree with you about McKendry, I've thought that for years. I've often wondered how he keeps getting good drives Yes,i've invested on 3 of his drives in the last week.All to me had clearly the better formlines. All were non trying drives. Toodalouloo at cambridge-went back from wide draw,made no attempt to improve from last on slow pace,3 lengths last turning in,puts in a very quick finish,eventually running over several markers and the horse lucky not to have an accident near the finish as it ran out of room. Riverboy ben at auckland.Heavily restrained at start from handy draw and settles last. Made no attempt to improve on slow mid race speed-last by a length turning in,switches to rail where it finishes fast but another to run out of room and locked wheels at the 100m. My copy-gets off rail when horse in front of him goes rough at start,sits at back on average speed,makes no attempt whatsoever to improve until about the 400m by which point it had no chance,checked,goes to fence and runs up the straight untried and with earplugs not pulled. Another good form analyst has told me he prefers to avoid backing any Mckendry driven runners because he too thinks he just is there to follow them around half the time,and you can never be sure he is trying. Both of us think he can still drive ok and that its more he just doesn't worry where he finishes a lot of the time. Edited August 20, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, the galah said: Mckendry driven runners because he too thinks he just is there to follow them around half the time,and you can never be sure he is trying. Why wouldn't he be "trying"? Where's the gain in not doing so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Agree Chief When those commenting have driven over 3000 winners , with a UDR of over .2, might start listening to them, although everyone entitled to there opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Why wouldn't he be "trying"? Where's the gain in not doing so? The videos tell the story. Just put them up and anyone can watch them and make up there own mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Blackie said: Agree Chief When those commenting have driven over 3000 winners , with a UDR of over .2, might start listening to them, although everyone entitled to there opinions. So because someone has driven 3000 winners means they are beyond reproach or don't drive like they aren't trying? Got it. Like i said,just watch the races i refer to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, the galah said: The videos tell the story. Just put them up and anyone can watch them and make up there own mind. That wasn't the question. WHY wouldn't he be trying? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, the galah said: So because someone has driven 3000 winners means they are beyond reproach or don't drive like they aren't trying? Got it. Like i said,just watch the races i refer to. I would suggest that M Mc has driven this way all his life. Like I said, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn’t mind him driving my horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That wasn't the question. WHY wouldn't he be trying? I think he means Not as 'daring' and 'grandiose' Chief... as you would be in younger days 1000's of drives ago. A lot of the older players get more 'safe' if you like , by just taking up a position and not having a 'Crack' as a younger and more vibrant driver might. AGH a notable exception. young vibrant Nat driving South Coast Arden for a while, was better judgement and winning, than old Mango. Mango was a great driver younger days driving Luxury Liner and others, but like Maurice and Ricky May and a few other 'safe' players, is more likely to take a back-seat to the Dexters and Pete McMullens and Luke and Todd McCarthy's of the world these days. Junior drivers quinellaed the last Interdominion Grand Final. A sign of the times......... (no chance of that happening last century) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, Gammalite said: 56 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That wasn't the question. WHY wouldn't he be trying? I think he means Not as 'daring' and 'grandiose' Chief. Then why not say that. So not trying more like not as aggressive or more risk averse? Nowadays you get fined for being too aggressive in drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then why not say that. So not trying more like not as aggressive or more risk averse? Nowadays you get fined for being too aggressive in drives. I get what your saying about my wording. I think gammalite has read my mind(which isn't always easy) as far as interpreting what i meant to say.I should have really said "not trying'.. as hard as punters would expect from someone of his capabilities. I had said earlier that "i don't think hes not trying,just lacks the desire he once had". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Blackie said: I would suggest that M Mc has driven this way all his life. Like I said, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn’t mind him driving my horse. Maybe he has been in recent years. Robalan has referred to that as well. Personally i would still give him an "A-" for talent,but an "f" for desire. You earlier refer to him driving over 3000 winners. I would argue your comment actually is proof what i am saying is accurate.You don't drive that many winners without knowing what you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 56 minutes ago, the galah said: Maybe he has been in recent years. Robalan has referred to that as well. Personally i would still give him an "A-" for talent,but an "f" for desire. You earlier refer to him driving over 3000 winners. I would argue your comment actually is proof what i am saying is accurate.You don't drive that many winners without knowing what you are doing. Thank you for that own goal. Course he knows what he is doing. The perception for the average punter is that horses are motor cars. Here’s a tip. All horses look good chasing. When you have to get up and go around, well, not a lot can do it. Mac has always driven horses for speed, he’s an expert at it. Maybe you should leave him out of your combinations if you don’t like the way he drives, problem solved. He’ll still keep winning 1 in every 6 drives on average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, Blackie said: Course he knows what he is doing. I think to give the guy a good plug , I went back to see how he got on driving the Best horse in the country. In February, he got to drive the great SELF ASSURED from the outside gate (an extremely difficult task at most tracks in a short race) , and drove a fantastic race. He used the horse just right to keep BD JOE nicely in sight , and drove at it well to win and defeat his more favoured and well drawn stable-mates Franco Indie and Akuta on that occasion. A 10/10 drive from Maurice. great job. He might be a bit of a car with big motor , but mentioned that good drive by Maurice, as Tony H had a couple of cracks driving on Self Assured as well in April (for Mark and Nat), and got he beat both times. His only defeats this year from memory amongst his Very big wins. (and we're not picking on Tony yet.. lol..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 hours ago, the galah said: So because someone has driven 3000 winners means they are beyond reproach or don't drive like they aren't trying? Got it. Like i said,just watch the races i refer to. 4 hours ago, the galah said: So because someone has driven 3000 winners means they are beyond reproach or don't drive like they aren't trying? Got it. Like i said,just watch the races i refer to. what's your URD THEN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 20, 2022 Author Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blackie said: Thank you for that own goal. Course he knows what he is doing. The perception for the average punter is that horses are motor cars. Here’s a tip. All horses look good chasing. When you have to get up and go around, well, not a lot can do it. Mac has always driven horses for speed, he’s an expert at it. Maybe you should leave him out of your combinations if you don’t like the way he drives, problem solved. He’ll still keep winning 1 in every 6 drives on average. No own goal. I "m pretty sure i know how to read a race,and evaluate how its driven. You can't seem to work out when we both say he knows what he's doing,it actually supports my opinion.As i have said think about that when you watch the video of toodaloolou at canbridge.Or perhaps the simply sam drive that he got suspended for recently. You say "when you get up and go around,well not a lot can do it.All horses look good chasing." You sound like you think punters are mugs. Edited August 20, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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