Turny Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Is that why you got the date of the Act wrong on the other site? I concur with @curious S139 or anything you have referred to DOESN'T stop the RIB from doing their job nor any forum from discussing it. Although you achieved your objective of scaring the Comic Dog into closing down the discussion. Was the RIU in breach of the Act with regard to the Ashlee Mundy case? Your a legend Chief a pure legend, but I suggest you need to brush up on interpreting Statute Laws. If you and Curious are so wound up by it why don't you communicate with RIB directly. I am sure they will reply, not. I suspect Scooby-Doo, a very bright and succesful guy, is aware of a couple of other Statues that could easily come into play and is acting carefully and responsibly as a site owner must, and should. That be another debate tho. Satisfied that the comments I have made factually, and legally, correct, in fact certain on that but can't be bothered providing you with case law precedents, which are at hand, you can Google that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 OK i will come back to this little tet a tet in a couple of months , i'm sure it will still be going . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, nomates said: OK i will come back to this little tet a tet in a couple of months , i'm sure it will still be going . Probably as the RIB still won't have done or said anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, Turny said: 139A, no I don't make it up as it happens, trained to interpret Statutes I'd suggest that you either re-train or refrain from further attempts at that interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Turny said: Your a legend Chief a pure legend, but I suggest you need to brush up on interpreting Statute Laws. If you and Curious are so wound up by it why don't you communicate with RIB directly. I am sure they will reply, not. I suspect Scooby-Doo, a very bright and succesful guy, is aware of a couple of other Statues that could easily come into play and is acting carefully and responsibly as a site owner must, and should. That be another debate tho. Satisfied that the comments I have made factually, and legally, correct, in fact certain on that but can't be bothered providing you with case law precedents, which are at hand, you can Google that Just pointing out your are talking bollocks. Happy for anyone to post their opinions on BOAY and am sure that they will not be in breach of the Coroner's Act. That said you have probably very effectively closed down any debate about the issue. One must question your motives to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 You really are a High Court muppet Chief. Quite silly IMHO. I have never said posters can't post, never. I have simply said RIB have their hands tied and cannot comment. I invited you to go to RIB and ask them, clearly neither you or curious will. Therein is the answer. You really do have to stop this twisting of threads to suit your own narrative. I rarely post on this site for this very reason, you twist things to promote your own point of view, have never understood that as most times you seem to be off track anyway. I think the other site owner has the smarts on this issue, he is way way ahead of you. Very bright successful businessman is Scooby-Doo Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, Turny said: I think the other site owner has the smarts on this issue, he is way way ahead of you. Very bright successful businessman is Scooby-Doo Now your second part of that comment has me questioning your smarts . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Turny said: You really are a High Court muppet Chief. Quite silly IMHO. I have never said posters can't post, never. I have simply said RIB have their hands tied and cannot comment. I invited you to go to RIB and ask them, clearly neither you or curious will. Therein is the answer. You really do have to stop this twisting of threads to suit your own narrative. I rarely post on this site for this very reason, you twist things to promote your own point of view, have never understood that as most times you seem to be off track anyway. I think the other site owner has the smarts on this issue, he is way way ahead of you. Very bright successful businessman is Scooby-Doo Cheers No wonder racing is on a slide in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Turny said: Satisfied that the comments I have made factually, and legally, correct, in fact certain on that but can't be bothered providing you with case law precedents, which are at hand, you can Google that So, you have no evidence to support your claims? Btw, there is NO coroner's inquiry on this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, curious said: So, you have no evidence to support your claims? Btw, there is NO coroner's inquiry on this matter. God, are you slow or what. Worksafe investigate. Coroner's inquest Statutory requirement for non naturally caused death. Read the Act for godsake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: No wonder racing is on a slide in this country. It is well known I follow Australian racing only, gave up on NZ racing some 10 years ago, can't blame me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimbu Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I am of the view that the RIB processes/outcome will not (and should not) become public until all other legal inquiries are completed and reported upon. However, I do wonder, for the purposes of public clarification is there any law/rule of racing that precludes the RIB from making a statement of position with suitable wording? Something like: RIB investigations will follow at the completion of all inquiries held by other government jurisdictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Chimbu said: I am of the view that the RIB processes/outcome will not (and should not) become public until all other legal inquiries are completed and reported upon. However, I do wonder, for the purposes of public clarification is there any law/rule of racing that precludes the RIB from making a statement of position with suitable wording? Something like: RIB investigations will follow at the completion of all inquiries held by other government jurisdictions. Rubbish. The RIB have a responsibility to complete their investigation regarding the rules of racing. No other jurisdiction has that responsibility. They're not doing their job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimbu Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Rubbish. The RIB have a responsibility to complete their investigation regarding the rules of racing. No other jurisdiction has that responsibility. They're not doing their job. One day a miracle might happen (or not), and you might be able to disagree with someone's opinion because it differs from your own without being rude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Chimbu said: I am of the view that the RIB processes/outcome will not (and should not) become public until all other legal inquiries are completed and reported upon. However, I do wonder, for the purposes of public clarification is there any law/rule of racing that precludes the RIB from making a statement of position with suitable wording? Something like: RIB investigations will follow at the completion of all inquiries held by other government jurisdictions. I agree with the second part of your post that if the delay in the RIB concluding their inquiry is due to that being precluded by other investigations then I see no reason why they can't say so in a brief public statement. I don't see any reason why that should be so though or why the race day inquiry can't be concluded under the rules of racing. That is simply about whether or not there were any breaches of those rules. Those inquiries are usually concluded on the day and if not, because of the unavailability of parties they may want evidence from, within a week or two. This is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Agree...and the delay has only increased speculation and discussion about the matter which would have been quickly put to bed with an appropriate investigation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Chimbu said: I am of the view that the RIB processes/outcome will not (and should not) become public until all other legal inquiries are completed and reported upon. However, I do wonder, for the purposes of public clarification is there any law/rule of racing that precludes the RIB from making a statement of position with suitable wording? Something like: RIB investigations will follow at the completion of all inquiries held by other government jurisdictions. The is ... Coroners Act 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Turny said: The is ... Coroners Act Absolute rubbish. Are you a trained lawyer? Even a layman can see what you are saying is incorrect. Why weren't previous racing accidents handled this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Chimbu said: One day a miracle might happen (or not), and you might be able to disagree with someone's opinion because it differs from your own without being rude. Don't confuse being unequivocal in my opinion as being rude. What Turny is saying is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 For arguments sake if the RIB are going to be asked to present evidence or opinion at an inquiry won't they need to first old their own as per the rules of racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 13 hours ago, Turny said: You really are a High Court muppet Chief. Quite silly IMHO. I have never said posters can't post, never. I have simply said RIB have their hands tied and cannot comment. I invited you to go to RIB and ask them, clearly neither you or curious will. Therein is the answer. You really do have to stop this twisting of threads to suit your own narrative. I rarely post on this site for this very reason, you twist things to promote your own point of view, have never understood that as most times you seem to be off track anyway. I think the other site owner has the smarts on this issue, he is way way ahead of you. Very bright successful businessman is Scooby-Doo Cheers I agree the chief sometimes twists things to promote his own of point of view and that can be a bit frustrating but have never felt anything he has said should discourage anyone with an opposite point of view from posting. You are so way off when you come to your comments about the other sites history with several posters on here.They have moderated and banned many simply for having opinions different from theirs. The worst thing they have done is give the personal details of who is posting under a non de plume to their mates who then make personal attacks.This site lets us express what we think,with no fear of the retribution you used to get on the other site. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, the galah said: I agree the chief sometimes twists things to promote his own of point of view and that can be a bit frustrating but have never felt anything he has said should discourage anyone with an opposite point of view from posting. You are so way off when you come to your comments about the other sites history with several posters on here.They have moderated and banned many simply for having opinions different from theirs. The worst thing they have done is give the personal details of who is posting under a non de plume to their mates who then make personal attacks.This site lets us express what we think,with no fear of the retribution you used to get on the other site. That sounds about right, if ever there was/is a boys club its 'rat cafe.'...good ole boys from the bayou ........if you've ever seen Deliverance you'll know...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Further to the above, the racing governing body in QLD , = QRIC are a laughing stock, so RIB in NZ are not Robinson Crusoe's when it comes to questionable decisions...... If you read letsgohorseracing.com.au you'll be amazed by the goings on in the good ole state of QLD. Apologies if this is a tad off piste.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Apologies if this is a tad off piste... Bit early in the day for that Joe. Is it warm over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Turny said: The is ... Coroners Act Turny, you are evidently obsessed with the Coroner's Act as an excuse for the RIB inaction. On that other site that you post on there used to be a rule that if you say it, you must be able to prove it. That has gone by the wayside of late and now whether you are allowed to say it or not is more at the whim of the moderator. I don't think that rule applies here. Nevertheless, given your expertise in interpreting legislation, would you please point us to the relevant section of an Act that is preventing or delaying the RIB from discharging their duties with respect to this inquiry so the rest of us can understand. Your two attempts at that to date are clearly wrong. Otherwise, can you come up with some other more viable excuse for their inaction? Edited September 19, 2022 by curious 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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