Time to move the Thousand Guineas races North

[Peanut]

Not only are most runners from North Island stables the quality of both the CJC track and the club management are clearly not up to Group one standard.  

P.S South Island trained horses good enough to start would get all travel expenses paid. 

[Freda]

3 minutes ago, Peanut said:

Not only are most runners from North Island stables the quality of both the CJC track and the club management are clearly not up to Group one standard.  

P.S South Island trained horses good enough to start would get all travel expenses paid. 

Can't argue with that.

And, to be fair, those who turn up at the Cup meeting for the piss-up couldn't care less what is running.

Taking sentiment out of things, it's a logical and pragmatic option. 

[Chief Stipe]

38 minutes ago, Freda said:

Can't argue with that.

And, to be fair, those who turn up at the Cup meeting for the piss-up couldn't care less what is running.

Taking sentiment out of things, it's a logical and pragmatic option. 

So you'd rather see the South Island bereft of any class races rather than attempt to get the problems fixed?

[mumbles]

Move it to Ellerslie so it can be watched by 3 men and their dogs.

Leave it where it is if only for traditions sake.

[Doomed]

The major problem with the Guineas is the structure of SI racing. The CJC is the major club and they suffer the most if the Guineas get moved north, but they are too thick to see that they need SI racing to be strong if the CJC is to prosper. They think they are incredibly clever with their AWT and they don't need the rest of the SI as long as they have their AWT. Eventually they will realise that Group 1 winners don't come through a series of $14,000 AWT races.

There are only 3 lead up races to the Guineas in the south, and only one of them restricted to fillies.whereas the NI has numerous lead ups. They need a proper pattern of 2yo racing if they are to have early season 3yo features and they need some 3yos to come out of Otago and Southland if they are to have form and field size. There should be a 1,400m fillies race at Wingatui on Melbourne Cup day and there needs to be a series of 3yo races in Southland. The horses may not be that flash, but at least you will have some enthusiastic owners and some last start 3yo winners to bulk out the Guineas races. And the SI horses will have had some hard racing to help them be competitive.

The problem is that no one seems to be sure just whose job it is to create a proper structure for racing in the south. It is probably too hard for most of them anyhow. 

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Doomed said:

The problem is that no one seems to be sure just whose job it is to create a proper structure for racing in the south. It is probably too hard for most of them anyhow.

Aren't the leading South Island trainers on THE SI/Canterbury Programme Committee?

[Doomed]

8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Aren't the leading South Island trainers on THE SI/Canterbury Programme Committee?

No idea. It would be disappointing if they are because the programming doesn't seem to be great.

[Chief Stipe]

17 minutes ago, Doomed said:

No idea. It would be disappointing if they are because the programming doesn't seem to be great.

I assure you they ARE!  

Tim Mills was the Chairperson of the Committee.  Maybe it doesn't exist anymore and was centralised.

[nomates]

2 hours ago, Peanut said:

Not only are most runners from North Island stables the quality of both the CJC track and the club management are clearly not up to Group one standard.  

P.S South Island trained horses good enough to start would get all travel expenses paid. 

Whatever the time frame was before it has now been accelerated by the weekends events , as i've said before i give it 2/3 seasons after Ellerslie reopens . 5 years .

[Tesio]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I assure you they ARE!  

Tim Mills was the Chairperson of the Committee.  Maybe it doesn't exist anymore and was centralised.

My understanding is Tim Mills controls the decisions on the race programming. Many things have been proposed for change  but it never happens. 

[Tesio]

5 hours ago, Doomed said:

The major problem with the Guineas is the structure of SI racing. The CJC is the major club and they suffer the most if the Guineas get moved north, but they are too thick to see that they need SI racing to be strong if the CJC is to prosper. They think they are incredibly clever with their AWT and they don't need the rest of the SI as long as they have their AWT. Eventually they will realise that Group 1 winners don't come through a series of $14,000 AWT races.

There are only 3 lead up races to the Guineas in the south, and only one of them restricted to fillies.whereas the NI has numerous lead ups. They need a proper pattern of 2yo racing if they are to have early season 3yo features and they need some 3yos to come out of Otago and Southland if they are to have form and field size. There should be a 1,400m fillies race at Wingatui on Melbourne Cup day and there needs to be a series of 3yo races in Southland. The horses may not be that flash, but at least you will have some enthusiastic owners and some last start 3yo winners to bulk out the Guineas races. And the SI horses will have had some hard racing to help them be competitive.

The problem is that no one seems to be sure just whose job it is to create a proper structure for racing in the south. It is probably too hard for most of them anyhow. 

You are spot on, programming for 2yr old and 3yr old horses in Sth island is a joke. There is only one way to save the Guineas races in Sth island and that is for CJC to get off their high horse and start being innovative and proactive and i struggle to see that happening based on past history. They need to forget about a new stand, put the insurance money into a new track, tear up the current 2yr old and 3yr old calendar and design a progress thoughtful race program for younger horses racing on a “Premier Grade” racing surface. If they dont do this NOW, then kiss goodby to the Guineas and even worse, 1/2 the owners down in the Sth Island who invest in young race horse. Those owners will become members of ARC with P WILLY. Then they can just classify CJC as a bush club.