the galah Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: No what I'm saying is that the comment you quoted from the New York Lab representative saying they couldn't detect EPO or some performance enhancers wasn't because the technology is not available as you infer, but because he is either incompetent or the lab isn't up to standard. Can you please post a link to where the Feds declare that they found EPO in the bottles they seized? FFS you caste aspersions when a horse runs a fifth in Group race as evidence that its performance has "improved"! So in your view the lab new york racing uses for the bulk of its testing is run by an incompetent or it isn't up to standard. And the trainers who have all been jailed and some stripped of their wealth all were fooled by the distibutor into think they were purchasing things like EPO,when in fact they weren't. The examples given of some of the trainers going to the top of the premierships at tracks like yonkers coinciding with when they started purchasing said products,was all just coincidence,and in fact they were winning based on who knows what,but it wasn't the performance enhancers they were duped into buying and using.....got it. Makes no sense to me but there you go. And examples of significant improvement in race performance aren't applicable if a horse only runs 4th or 5th in a group 1 race. I caste aspersions, yes i agree with something you have said for a change.To join the dots i suppose you have to know where they start. I was talikng to someone the other day about my views of the success of a certain stable the other day. He moves in different circles than me.He said,everyone i talk to says what your saying,but personally i don't think so myself.So there are others out there who have the same opinion as yours,so its not the echo chamber that i normally hear about the subjuct. Then again maybe that man is you chief...nah,probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 15 hours ago, the galah said: So in your view the lab new york racing uses for the bulk of its testing is run by an incompetent or it isn't up to standard. Yes based on what the representative said, my research of the lab and its systems and equipment. 15 hours ago, the galah said: And the trainers who have all been jailed and some stripped of their wealth all were fooled by the distibutor into think they were purchasing things like EPO,when in fact they weren't. Correct. They were conned as well. In many cases they were just using relabeled commonly used treatments. Hence the seller getting nailed for fraud. 15 hours ago, the galah said: The examples given of some of the trainers going to the top of the premierships at tracks like yonkers coinciding with when they started purchasing said products,was all just coincidence,and in fact they were winning based on who knows what,but it wasn't the performance enhancers they were duped into buying and using.....got it. Makes no sense to me but there you go. Quite possible coincidental but assisted by the fact that they were suddenly proactively treating their horses for ailments that the horses had. They just didn't know they were doing it. The common drugs weren't detected because along with the fraud went a narrative of when to use and when not to use. Advice that tended to align with the withholding periods in the rules. That said from all the samples seized and all the investigations where are these "new novel performance enhancers"? As I keep trying to through to you there is NO chemical molecule that can't be detected using modern testing methods. I've had first hand experience of the techniques in the honey industry where previously unknown active chemicals where detected rapidly when they were actually looked for. The research was based on comparing multiple honey samples to a known base control sample. Much more complex than testing horses where it is easy to get a profile of normal horse blood and tissue samples to use as a control. 15 hours ago, the galah said: And examples of significant improvement in race performance aren't applicable if a horse only runs 4th or 5th in a group 1 race. FFS - there could be any number of reasons why a horse runs 4th or 5th in a Group 1 race which may have looked an improvement. I've researched some of your "miraculously improved" race performances and have found in the past that the actual performance hasn't been significantly greater than what the horse has shown from time to time. Hell it might have got a softer run than it had previously or it might have been trained harder for the big money race. BTW most trainers do that i.e. "Set the horse for a particular race". 15 hours ago, the galah said: I was talikng to someone the other day about my views of the success of a certain stable the other day. He moves in different circles than me.He said,everyone i talk to says what your saying,but personally i don't think so myself.So there are others out there who have the same opinion as yours,so its not the echo chamber that i normally hear about the subjuct. Then again maybe that man is you chief...nah,probably not. Not all of us are looking for spiders under the bed. The point is if the big stables were using something "special" then the testing technology is available to identify what it is. I'm not sure the RIB are bright enough but would prefer to rely on anonymous tip-offs (always someone tipping or snitching), hide in hedges and then do expensive stable raids. Old school policing. What have they found? Tubing apparatus (every stable should have this), formaldehyde (the irrational reporting of this was beyond belief) and allegedly some bi-carb. Where is the mystery drug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Correct. They were conned as well. In many cases they were just using relabeled commonly used treatments. Hence the seller getting nailed for fraud. The fraud was selling or using illegal performance enhancers designed with the intent to deceive the regulators whose job it was to test for them.Also prosecution evidence for those who chose to plead not gulity and went to trial,was the punters betting on races with the cheats in,were deliberately being deceived,as they rely on everything being legal and ok. Edited December 8, 2022 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 3 hours ago, the galah said: The fraud was selling or using illegal performance enhancers designed with the intent to deceive the regulators whose job it was to test... Assumed "performance enhancers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/5/2022 at 12:43 PM, Brodie said: The question just needs to be asked! Can Harness Racing afford to be running these Premiere meetings with such stakes currently? We now know that the distribution from The NZ TAB is going to be less for next season and therefore stakes will need to drop! Stakes are sure to drop and it will get worse. Next year will be tough due to the financial mismanagement of Reserve Bank Governor Orr and Finance Minister Robbersson. Next year's TAB take will be well down due to the economic conditions. It's going to be a tough time for many in this country. But don't blame me cos I didn't vote for Kind Jacinda. I think some clubs and trainers will fold due to the upcoming recession. Stakes will have to be cut for all races, G1 included. More horses will be exported to Australia. The Pain Train is coming my old mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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