Mikie Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) I read a story that the Franklin Cup is in danger of being scrapped with only 4 nominations Im astounded that anyone is surprised With the number of Open Class horses presently racing in New Zealand how could anyone not realise that putting on a $100k Invercargill Cup that attracted Self Assured, Spankem, BF Joe and Krug not result in the demise of the Franklin Cup? I rate the Invercargill Club and their Admin team but they should have been left at $30-$40k catering for the rung below, and the Franklin Cup instead race for $75000 forcing the Open Class horses to travel North (that's if we can now afford these stakes at all!) Before anyone complains about forcing Owners to beat the cost of travel ask yourself this 1. what's the alternative? 2. If you're a top ( NRL standard) League player living in Invercargill can you stay living there and play NRL? 3. Can a top tennis player go anywhere in NZ over the holiday period to play in a top tournament other than Auckland? We simply don't have the number of top Open Class horses to split them from one end of the country to the other Whoever at HRNZ ( and I think I know who) that didn't realise this shouldn't have a job Mike Edited December 27, 2022 by Mikie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mikie said: With the number of Open Class horses presently racing in New Zealand how could anyone not realise that putting on a $100k Invercargill Cup that attracted Self Assured, Spankem, BF Joe and Krug not result in the demise of the Franklin Cup? I rate the Invercargill Club and their Admin team but they should have been left at $30-$40k catering for the rung below, and the Franklin Cup instead race for $75000 forcing the Open Class horses to travel North (that's if we can now afford these stakes at all!) If you run an Open Class race, your club deserves to have the best horses in the country they can muster to compete in it,,,,, for there Feature Race meetings. I even watched the Impressive Invercargill Cup this year . People wouldn't of bothered with it, if not for good competitive horses being in it ??, it would of been just another ho-hum affair. Yes!! the Franklin Cup would be great to attract south island interest (and as you say , higher stake money might of done that ) the race used to be a great 2 mile Stand Handicap won by greats like Delightful lady, Smolda , etc. The BIG worry to me, is that the 'Open Class' in North Island now is consisting of horse like 'HEY BARTENDER' with just 5 lifetime wins ???? starting 2nd fav to Copy That the other day (and running 2nd too) Since when is a 5 win horse Open Class? and worthy of my time viewing / and/or punting On ??? that's just bollocks IMO lol. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) The HRNZ panel that constructed this new calendar shaped it so this did NOT happen. Michael House, the main architect, pushed to have open class racing in one centre at any one time of the year to avoide this. Canterbury August - November Southland/Otago - December/January North - February - May. But for whatever reason, HRNZ's board, probably at the desire of the ATC, only partially agreed to it. All the open horses should be in Southland for the Invercargill Cup then Central Otago Cup at present. Edited December 27, 2022 by Spatchcock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, Gammalite said: If you run an Open Class race, your club deserves to have the best horses in the country they can muster to compete in it,,,,, for there Feature Race meetings. I even watched the Impressive Invercargill Cup this year . People wouldn't of bothered with it, if not for good competitive horses being in it ??, it would of been just another ho-hum affair. Yes!! the Franklin Cup would be great to attract south island interest (and as you say , higher stake money might of done that ) the race used to be a great 2 mile Stand Handicap won by greats like Delightful lady, Smolda , etc. The BIG worry to me, is that the 'Open Class' in North Island now is consisting of horse like 'HEY BARTENDER' with just 5 lifetime wins ???? starting 2nd fav to Copy That the other day (and running 2nd too) Since when is a 5 win horse Open Class? and worthy of my time viewing / and/or punting On ??? that's just bollocks IMO lol. So Gammalite Ypu are saying that the Invercargill Cup deserves the best horses in the country? And you're saying that the Franklin Cup deserves the best horses in the country? You don't seem to grasp that that's not possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, Spatchcock said: The HRNZ panel that constructed this new calendar shaped it so this did NOT happen. Michael House, the main architect, pushed to have open class racing in one centre at any one time of the year to avoide this. Canterbury August - November Southland/Otago - December/January North - February - May. But for whatever reason, HRNZ's board, probably at the desire of the ATC, only partially agreed to it. All the open horses should be in Southland for the Invercargill Cup then Central Otago Cup at present. That's fine Spatchcock One way or the other There aren't enough horses for both ends of the country 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 who would want to race a horse at Auckland .cant they race the right way round 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Mikie said: That's fine Spatchcock One way or the other There aren't enough horses for both ends of the country There is enough if programmed to be at one place at a certain time - Franklin Cup should be lead up to Auck Cup ( like Ashburton ) . I don’t think Invercargil should ever of been a group 1 and never a $100k . A group 2 at best and to get a bigger field by full handicap, not FFA, so never a GP 1. Why Krug, Self Assured and co not run at Franklin? - they do it cup week and lead up races before plus inter-dominions. A little fine tuning with calendar then it should work. Maybe Franklin date is out a bit or trainers have not got up to speed with new calendar . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Mikie said: So Gammalite Ypu are saying that the Invercargill Cup deserves the best horses in the country? And you're saying that the Franklin Cup deserves the best horses in the country? You don't seem to grasp that that's not possible Hahah probably if you are molly cuddling . Copy That couldn't even 'back-up to start in the NZ FFA past 2 years. They used to have a Final night Cup meeting FFA (Allan Matson FFA) that the Cup runners ran in. so three starts in 10 days for a lot of Cup winners over the years in the best company. Gammalite would line up week in week out. couple of cracks at Nz big race too lol. and failed off handicaps lol. What's to grasp ? can't get a flight to Auckland for Franklin Cup these days ? from back at 17th December Invercargill Cup lol ... bunch of wooses really ...hahaha real reason is They want to be at Home for Christmas (the staff) . and who can blame them . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Four starters and the race gets off the ground - embarrassing really. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Taku Umanga said: Four starters and the race gets off the ground - embarrassing really. Embarrassing that they allow it to occur 4 horses $50k the industry in the North is stuffed. copy That in the race so who is going to bet against it? Just another drain on the harness coffers is Auckland and not going to improve when trainers and owners drop out this coming year with the Labour Party wish to have a recession! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Embarrassing that they allow it to occur 4 horses $50k the industry in the North is stuffed. copy That in the race so who is going to bet against it? Just another drain on the harness coffers is Auckland and not going to improve when trainers and owners drop out this coming year with the Labour Party wish to have a recession! I say again my old mate. Where is the bully ex bookie Racing Minister? Invisible man? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Davis said: I say again my old mate. Where is the bully ex bookie Racing Minister? Invisible man? Like all the Labour lightweights, living off the taxpayers generosity! They are all total incompetents, I have absolutely no idea what Labour showed in their first term to warrant people to want them back in power? Beggars belief really!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 12 hours ago, paleface adios said: who would want to race a horse at Auckland .cant they race the right way round Gammalite would mate. All the way from Oz. Auckland Cup Win defeating Bonnies Chance . Auckland Interdominion Grand Final win defeating Popular Alm and Delightful Lady. I'm TheMightyQuinn for Gary hall all the way from WA . Winning 2 Auckland Cups and The Interdominon Grand Final at Auckland as well . There's 2 for you old Mate !! . 'Paleface' being not good enough against Young Quinn has got ya down a bit ???😉 😁🤣🏆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 great time to have cup class horse small fields easy stake money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Brodie said: Like all the Labour lightweights, living off the taxpayers generosity! They are all total incompetents, I have absolutely no idea what Labour showed in their first term to warrant people to want them back in power? Beggars belief really!!!! As I have said my old mate, don't blame me. I never voted for Jacinda, never would. I have never understood the cult like following she has. Weird. I have always shared the same view as Mr John Minto has of her... she says what the crowd wants to hear... Fools will probably give them another term... election bribes will be doosies!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Gammalite said: Gammalite would mate. All the way from Oz. Auckland Cup Win defeating Bonnies Chance . Auckland Interdominion Grand Final win defeating Popular Alm and Delightful Lady. I'm TheMightyQuinn for Gary hall all the way from WA . Winning 2 Auckland Cups and The Interdominon Grand Final at Auckland as well . There's 2 for you old Mate !! . 'Paleface' being not good enough against Young Quinn has got ya down a bit ???😉 😁🤣🏆 The real top horses like Gammalite race well whatever the track, distance, surface, way of going... that's why they are Champions! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Davis said: As I have said my old mate, don't blame me. I never voted for Jacinda, never would. I have never understood the cult like following she has. Weird. I have always shared the same view as Mr John Minto has of her... she says what the crowd wants to hear... Fools will probably give them another term... election bribes will be doosies!! Na she and her other useless muppets are gone burger bigtime. Anyone that is prepared to vote for her and her commies do not deserve a vote! Was unbelievable that they voted for her and her useless cohorts last time after a very poor performance in their first term. She kept us safe people say, what she did was stuffed NÉW ZEALAND and we are going to continue to pay for this for the next decade unfortunately. It will be a landslide victory for National next year without doubt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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