Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I see the usual doom merchants are talking about "carnage'" and "bloodbaths"at the Standardbred Yearling Sales for 2023 (e.g. @JJ Flash). The reality isn't all that bad. The Auckland Sale was well up on median and average although the clearance rate was down about 4%. Over 138 yearlings that is only 5 less sold and I'm sure the clearance rate will pick up as behind the scenes negotiations continue. 2023 Auckland Session Statistics (at end of selling) 2023 AUCKLAND SALE 2022 AUCKLAND SALE 2021 AUCKLAND SALE 2020 AUCKLAND SALE Aggregate $5,116,000 $5,971,000 $5,370,500 $4,348,000 Average $60,905 $61,557 $50,192 $46,255 Median $46,750 $55,000 $40,000 $36,250 Clearance 69% 75% 82% 73% Catalogued 128 138 134 131 Sold 85 97 107 94 Top Price $300,000 Lot 74 (B.F) Captaintreacherous - Goodlookinggirl $260,000 Lot 66 (B.C) Bettor's Delight - Double Twist $300,000 Lot 122 (B.F) Bettor's Delight - Major Reality $250,000 Lot 122 (B.C) Captaintreacherous - Hi Ho Silver Lining 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 The same applies for the Pacer Yearlings in CHCH. 2023 National Standardbred Yearling Sale – Day Two Pacing Session Statistics 2023 CHRISTCHURCH PACERS SALE - DAY 1 2022 CHRISTCHURCH PACERS SALE - DAY 1 2021 CHRISTCHURCH PACERS SALE - DAY 1 Aggregate $3,643,000 $3,953,000 $3,016,500 Average $51,310 $51,338 $44,360 Median $36,000 $35,000 $31,000 Clearance 74% 77% 62% Catalogued 106 105 122 Sold 71 77 71 Top Price $240,000 Lot 277 (B.C) Bettor's Delight - Hartofdixie $260,000 Lot 295 (B.C) Bettor's Delight - Fight For Glory $240,000 Lot 289 (B.C) Bettor's Delight - Bonnie Joan 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 The only negative is for the Trotters. 2023 National Standardbred Yearling Sale – Christchurch Trotting Session Statistics 2023 CHRISTCHURCH TROTTING SESSION 2022 CHRISTCHURCH TROTTING SESSION 2021 CHRISTCHURCH TROTTING SESSION 2020 CHRISTCHURCH TROTTING SESSION Aggregate $1,044,500 $896,500 $1,106,000 $1,281,750 Average $33,694 $23,592 $35,867 $34,642 Median $19,000 $17,000 $31,250 $24,000 Clearance 52% 62% 69% 79% Catalogued 60 76 48 48 Sold 31 38 31 37 Top Price $130,000 Lot 174 (B.F) Muscle Hill - Paramount Faith $110,000 Lot 183 (B.F) Tactical Landing - Petite One $120,000 Lot 140 (B.C) Father Patrick - Rae Galleon $280,000 Lot 146 (Ch.C) Love You - Queen Kenny 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furlong Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Many thanks Chief Stipe for the info. It certainly is a lot better than it looked watching the sales, and as you say those figures will improve. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 Been 58 minutes ago, Furlong said: Many thanks Chief Stipe for the info. It certainly is a lot better than it looked watching the sales, and as you say those figures will improve. Been watching both horse code sales for years and have learnt that viewing perception never meets reality. Some naysayers are not up to speed with the process whereby a lot of negotiating continues after a horse is passed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Been Been watching both horse code sales for years and have learnt that viewing perception never meets reality. Some naysayers are not up to speed with the process whereby a lot of negotiating continues after a horse is passed in. Good to see that there are some good sales Chief, for the sake of the harness industry. We do need this however for the average breeder at the moment there is absolutely no profit in breeding and selling with all the costs! The ones paying the bigger money for the horses can afford it, but the average person that wants to buy a horse and race it, they are unable to. The Stallion Service Fees for the top ones are ridiculously high for a bit of semen!!!!!!!! Costs compared to what you can win in stakes nowadays are just so out of whack, and the chance of being on the positive side is virtually non existent! You only have to look at the crowd at the sales venues, to see that you need to be past the retirement age to be owning, apart from several trainers buying for stable clients to syndicate!! The only opportunity to own now for most is a small share in a syndicate and will it ever get better??? Some may not agree but Brodster telling it the way it is! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Good to see that there are some good sales Chief, for the sake of the harness industry. We do need this however for the average breeder at the moment there is absolutely no profit in breeding and selling with all the costs! The ones paying the bigger money for the horses can afford it, but the average person that wants to buy a horse and race it, they are unable to. The Stallion Service Fees for the top ones are ridiculously high for a bit of semen!!!!!!!! Costs compared to what you can win in stakes nowadays are just so out of whack, and the chance of being on the positive side is virtually non existent! You only have to look at the crowd at the sales venues, to see that you need to be past the retirement age to be owning, apart from several trainers buying for stable clients to syndicate!! The only opportunity to own now for most is a small share in a syndicate and will it ever get better??? Some may not agree but Brodster telling it the way it is! History shows Brodie nearly always on the money.No doubt will be here as well. Brodie often calls it first.He was on the money when he predicted the TAB policies discouraging winning punters would have a very negative impact on turnovers. Personally i think thats one of the worst things happening to the industry. The TAB is run by people who have no idea of the consequences of what they do. Their lack of awareness of how they impact in a negative way the spend of some of their higher turnover tote punters is hard to comprehend. I've explained how it works before. But when you have the number crunchers at the TAB slashing ff win odds when they take a $20 place bet,with as little as a $10 liabilty to the TAB,you can see how farcical it all is. And if you don't have punters,that link in the chain is weakened and the strength of the whole chain diminishes. That ultimately effects stakes paid and numbers bred and so on. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Brodie said: Good to see that there are some good sales Chief, for the sake of the harness industry. We do need this however for the average breeder at the moment there is absolutely no profit in breeding and selling with all the costs! The ones paying the bigger money for the horses can afford it, but the average person that wants to buy a horse and race it, they are unable to. The Stallion Service Fees for the top ones are ridiculously high for a bit of semen!!!!!!!! Costs compared to what you can win in stakes nowadays are just so out of whack, and the chance of being on the positive side is virtually non existent! You only have to look at the crowd at the sales venues, to see that you need to be past the retirement age to be owning, apart from several trainers buying for stable clients to syndicate!! The only opportunity to own now for most is a small share in a syndicate and will it ever get better??? Some may not agree but Brodster telling it the way it is! When wasn't it like that? The only difference today is there are less horses going around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Brodie said: The Stallion Service Fees for the top ones are ridiculously high for a bit of semen!!!!!!!! how do you get a foal then? or are you thinking do it yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 18 hours ago, paleface adios said: how do you get a foal then? or are you thinking do it yourself What Brodie saying if he was a stallion his semen would be free 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Trotsfan said: What Brodie saying if he was a stallion his semen would be free No he would be subject to anti money laundering rules. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Trotsfan said: What Brodie saying if he was a stallion his semen would be free What is The Brodster's 2023 Fee ? Edited February 23, 2023 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, Rangatira said: What is The Brodster's 2023 Fee ? $1 no live foal guarantee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: $1 no live foal guarantee. almost better value than bettors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rangatira said: almost better value than bettors Yeah but geez I take any opportunity for a $1 with no live foal guaranteed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Yeah but geez I take any opportunity for a $1 with no live foal guaranteed. I think Brodie would offer free return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 22 hours ago, paleface adios said: how do you get a foal then? or are you thinking do it yourself Point is that paying tens of thousands for a bit of semen to breed a horse with a small chance of making money is not financially sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Rangatira said: What is The Brodster's 2023 Fee ? he has a dose of termites 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Trotsfan said: What Brodie saying if he was a stallion his semen would be free is the brodster flashing red 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Point is that paying tens of thousands for a bit of semen to breed a horse with a small chance of making money is not financially sensible. When did it ever offer a financial return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Trotsfan said: What Brodie saying if he was a stallion his semen would be free No chance at stud nowadays Trotsfan! Firing blanks😩 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: When did it ever offer a financial return? You are correct Chief, so surely Service Fees are far to high in many cases? I realise that breeders need to be optimists to be breeding but if harness wants to continue to be in operation, there needs to be more horses bred! Reality is that harness racing breeding requires significant money be spent to get a yearling to the sales and often for no return! As rime goes on, there are going to be fewer breeders prepared to take the risk and therefore less horses bred! For the top bred horses there is profit in it providing the mare does the job, however the average mare it is not worth the time and money! I just hope we can battle thru this to ensure racing continues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Brodie said: Firing blanks😩 did you get a wack in the nuts by railway sleeper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 7 hours ago, paleface adios said: did you get a wack in the nuts by railway sleeper Retired from stud work nowadays Paleface! Fertility probably gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Retired from stud work nowadays Paleface! Fertility probably gone will you be lining up in a claimer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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