curious Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Anyone else get one of these? Subject: STAKEHOLDER MESSAGE: Messara Report - please show your support No Images? Click here Dear Stakeholders, The Messara Report is a very important once-in-a-generation opportunity to secure thoroughbred racing’s future. Changes to industry governance, potential outsourcing, and racefields legislation are game-changers offering real improvements in our financial returns. We are working through Mr Messara’s proposals about venue location and ownership to find a solution that is fair for all, but we cannot afford to get hung up on one matter when we need to show the Government we are a united industry. NZTR, together with our Recognised Industry Organisations, strongly support and endorse the need for a circuit breaker. This is our only chance for change. We must show the Government that it’s time for change, and we seek you support to make it happen. Click here to show your support for the Messara Report's goals & principles Minister's media release (13.09.2018) We also encourage you to put forward your own submissions. These can be emailed to racingreview@dia.govt.nz. Yours sincerely, Dr Alan Jackson Chairman New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Inc. Bernard Saundry Chief Executive New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Inc. New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Yeah, got one as well, no doubt everyone is getting the message..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I obviously missed the part where I could say I had no faith in the chairman and his board to take us forward given the mismanagement to date. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Freda said: I obviously missed the part where I could say I had no faith in the chairman and his board to take us forward given the mismanagement to date. I'm sure it's there somewhere but maybe in invisible ink ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It was OK until it got to this bit "racefields legislation are game-changers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Haven't heard of a soul that doesn't support racefield's legislation but a game changer? They have to be joking. The DIA already knows that and has clearly stated it. Are they in a dreamworld? You'd buy the report's recommendation based on one good idea that will have minimal impact along with 10 shockers? Yeahh right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It's all pretty irrelevant, there are 2 main issues that I can see, that the stakeholders have very little influence over. 1. Can Avondale be sold and NZTR get the funds, to pay the 190 mil of refurbishments at the 28 remaining tracks to bring racing facilities up to modern standards. If they can't, then they fall well short of the figure. 2. Will outsourcing the TAB, and the other re-jigging, generate enough income each year and save enough costs each year, to make the model be self sustaining, at double the stakemoney level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, hesi said: It's all pretty irrelevant, there are 2 main issues that I can see, that the stakeholders have very little influence over. 1. Can Avondale be sold and NZTR get the funds, to pay the 190 mil of refurbishments at the 28 remaining tracks to bring racing facilities up to modern standards. If they can't, then they fall well short of the figure. 2. Will outsourcing the TAB, and the other re-jigging, generate enough income each year and save enough costs each year, to make the model be self sustaining, at double the stakemoney level Well we haven't seen any turnover results since about mid-May. Reserves have gone. So the previous initiatives didn't deliver on promises so why will these? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Actually that is a very good point Chief. Saundry is the one who stopped the wagering turnover data, yet he is asking for the very people who are affected by the data for support???? It's a 2 way street, anyway, it does not really matter if people do not support the report, the only real area where support is relevant is the venue plan, and there is a lot of water to flow under that bridge yet....Avondale won't roll over without a fight Edited September 24, 2018 by hesi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 "Hung up on one matter"? Seriously, can they not read, analyse or understand? How desperate are they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Well we haven't seen any turnover results since about mid-May. Reserves have gone. So the previous initiatives didn't deliver on promises so why will these? Correct. Reserves are buggered. Initiatives have failed to cover the advanced sums. There are no promising initiatives in place at code or RB level. So, looks like they are down to beg, steal or borrow which is pretty much what the Messara report amounts to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It appears to me that this is an admission that ' they', i.e. the whole of NZTR Board ( and the RB) haven't got a bloody clue...they have stuffed the industry to the extent that millions of dollars have been wasted, innumerable useless pricks ( CEO's, Board members etc etc ) have come and gone with huge pay-offs ...and they want 'us' to endorse their behaviour. Make a decision you useless pricks, don't put the onus on other people so when you stuff up again you can say....'well you said it was a good idea'...and the decision that you all need to make is...resign! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I think you lot are being very polite, I for one am deeply offended by this email, not to mention disgusted. To think they could send this to us? after overseeing the demise of a once proud industry. Do they think we are stupid? of course they do, they must to send this. Asking us to support them? What is it they don't understand? We don't trust you!!!! you have proven to be inept and unable to do what you were employed to do? How many have been hurt by your actions! or lack of!....... If you had any integrity at all, you'd resign, don't insult our intelligence by sending this tripe to our email boxes Leave us alone, you've done enough damage already! 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kopia said: It appears to me that this is an admission that ' they', i.e. the whole of NZTR Board ( and the RB) haven't got a bloody clue...they have stuffed the industry to the extent that millions of dollars have been wasted, innumerable useless pricks ( CEO's, Board members etc etc ) have come and gone with huge pay-offs ...and they want 'us' to endorse their behaviour. Make a decision you useless pricks, don't put the onus on other people so when you stuff up again you can say....'well you said it was a good idea'...and the decision that you all need to make is...resign! God bless you Kopia, we are so damn upset by this email, you have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Yes it is so disappointing when people stick to their fundamental principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 don't you guys have a spam folder? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Can you imagine if a Government walked up to these guys and said "we're going to take your land and use it for the common good"? My god you could hear the howls of "Communists - what about my god given property rights" back in the Old Country. Hypocrites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, von Smallhaussen said: don't you guys have a spam folder? ? If there's lightning in the 'Valley' guess who will be struck next? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mark D said: Can you imagine if a Government walked up to these guys and said "we're going to take your land and use it for the common good"? My god you could hear the howls of "Communists - what about my god given property rights" back in the Old Country. Hypocrites the government can take your land for "Market Value" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimbu Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 If you were stupid enough to click on the link, I believe, a " Thank you for your support' message appeared. No doubt these messages of support will be used in the submission process as proof of industry support. Rude, devious, desperate and maybe even propaganda, IMO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 You appear also to be able to click on the support link as many times as you want?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, hesi said: You appear also to be able to click on the support link as many times as you want?? Yes, that's about as robust as the rest of their analysis and confirms how desperate and devoid of ideas they are. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) I think it is inappropriate that NZTR or RB has anything to do with implementation, commenting etc etc of the Messara report. AFTER ALL, Peter's went straight to Messara to get a report, and the report was back to him, therefore going over the top of all the people in charge at NZTR and NZRB. A clear vote of no confidence The report clearly signals the RB to be replaced by Wagering NZ, NZTR to be replaced by Racing NZ in conjunction with the 2 other codes. How much more of a message do those currently in charge need Many of the aspects of the report are non-negotiable, such as the 2 points above. Maybe a few changes in the venue plan, but that will be it Edited September 24, 2018 by hesi 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 I'd say there's a fair bit more than that seriously in question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, curious said: I'd say there's a fair bit more than that seriously in question. What should change and what will change are 2 things that are well removed from each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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