Another one to get a holiday for driving to lose the race

[Nowornever]

CLASSIE LINC - held up near the 200m and locked wheels with the weakening BOLZANO. Driver J Buckland-Stevens (assisted by S Tomlinson) was questioned regarding the manner she drove near the 300m when electing to shift ground inwards. After hearing her explanation and speaking with trainer B Negus, Stewards issued driver J Buckland-Stevens with a charge under Rule 868(2) alleging that she failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures near the 300m when allowing her runner to shift inwards resulting in the horse being held up. Mrs Buckland-Stevens defended the charge with the Adjudicative Committee electing to defer the hearing to a date and time to be fixed.

 

 

[Gammalite]

Love the old Amatuer drivers races. ....plenty of horses changing directions whenever 😄

Mrs Negus gave us some entertainment (and plenty of forum discussion once ) taking on the leader . great stuff lol.

Today she has bounced back nicely to take the win . good on her lol...

and the 60 drives only lady Jo-ann, driving on the Negus stable-mate fav,  has made an error. yeah I'm sure that Jo-ann would love to have that race done again , and just switch to the outside  ??? 

  there were only 7 in it . so you wouldn't think you could get chopped out on the big Addington track. 😂

but life-time 60 drive amatuers are very much just learning as they go I spose.

 

[Gammalite]

Interesting that today was 'Billed' as the Bob Butt racing stables Day of harness racing at Addington.

But he didn't have any in today ?  didn't want to support his own day ? seems a strange turn of events lol.😁

Wonder how many he (Bob Butt) trains then ?

seems a fair trainer. Manhattan with 3 x 2nds at Auckland last month. Shows how tough the game is in NZ really . when a multiple Group placed mare like Manhattan , has only won $15,000 prize money for the year. No wonder the Nz game is going to the pack and they're racing more and more in Aus. Hope he brings her QLD next month.

Saw him 2 years ago when came to Queensland with Gold Chain. But he didn't drive it very well unfortunately , and she didn't win in the 4 attempts at Albion Park. Had good form last year in Nz , but disappeared last Winter. had a heap of placings in a row too.....

Edited June 11, 2023 by Gammalite
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[the galah]

49 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Interesting that today was 'Billed' as the Bob Butt racing stables Day of harness racing at Addington.

But he didn't have any in today ?  didn't want to support his own day ? seems a strange turn of events lol.😁

Wonder how many he (Bob Butt) trains then ?

seems a fair trainer. Manhattan with 3 x 2nds at Auckland last month. Shows how tough the game is in NZ really . when a multiple Group placed mare like Manhattan , has only won $15,000 prize money for the year. No wonder the Nz game is going to the pack and they're racing more and more in Aus. Hope he brings her QLD next month.

Saw him 2 years ago when came to Queensland with Gold Chain. But he didn't drive it very well unfortunately , and she didn't win in the 4 attempts at Albion Park. Had good form last year in Nz , but disappeared last Winter. had a heap of placings in a row too.....

Manhattan on the  latest list of horses exported to australia.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Nowornever said:

CLASSIE LINC - held up near the 200m and locked wheels with the weakening BOLZANO. Driver J Buckland-Stevens (assisted by S Tomlinson) was questioned regarding the manner she drove near the 300m when electing to shift ground inwards. After hearing her explanation and speaking with trainer B Negus, Stewards issued driver J Buckland-Stevens with a charge under Rule 868(2) alleging that she failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures near the 300m when allowing her runner to shift inwards resulting in the horse being held up. Mrs Buckland-Stevens defended the charge with the Adjudicative Committee electing to defer the hearing to a date and time to be fixed.

 

 

I think anyone who watched that race would think a long suspension is inevitable.

Its says she defended the charge. I find it hard to believe she would continue with that approach. Nothing wrong with taking time to gather your thoughts on such a charge,but she no doubt will face up to the realities of it all you would think.

its quite unfortunate for her,as it is for anyone who makes an error of judgment like that. But these things happen sometimes.As to her intent,i think it was a big error in judgment and she would have been trying.

Edited June 11, 2023 by the galah

[Nowornever]

9 hours ago, the galah said:

I think anyone who watched that race would think a long suspension is inevitable.

Its says she defended the charge. I find it hard to believe she would continue with that approach. Nothing wrong with taking time to gather your thoughts on such a charge,but she no doubt will face up to the realities of it all you would think.

its quite unfortunate for her,as it is for anyone who makes an error of judgment like that. But these things happen sometimes.As to her intent,i think it was a big error in judgment and she would have been trying.

I can not comprehend why the driver would drive like she did when the horse had the speed to win that race by many lengths against that field, but it looks like sheer incompetence and the stipes agree.  I can't see her getting out of this one lightly either. What is her excuse going to be? Oh sorry stipes the horse didn't want to move wider on the track and I thought it would break up if I pulled the rein. I don't think the horse would be paying $1.65 if the public knew it was going to be driven for luck up the middle in the run home in a seven horse field. 😂

[the galah]

6 hours ago, Nowornever said:

I can not comprehend why the driver would drive like she did when the horse had the speed to win that race by many lengths against that field, but it looks like sheer incompetence and the stipes agree.  I can't see her getting out of this one lightly either. What is her excuse going to be? Oh sorry stipes the horse didn't want to move wider on the track and I thought it would break up if I pulled the rein. I don't think the horse would be paying $1.65 if the public knew it was going to be driven for luck up the middle in the run home in a seven horse field. 😂

It think you seem to agree that there was no intent not to try,it was just a very poor tactical decision

In the last couple of years we've seen examples that even the best drivers can make bad tactical decisions and have been suspended under the same rule.

But this particular case does seem to have been particularly poor decision making given she had no pressure to make a split second decision.Come out and get a clear run or go in and run the risk of being held up.Seems a no brainer,but hey,she made that error.I agree that there appears to be no reasonable defence that she could offer to mitigate the level of error.

They do seem to suspend people based on each case warranting a certain number of drives penalty and given she doesn't get too many drives it could well end up a lengthy suspension.That approach sometimes leads to penalties which seem excessive for drivers who drive less than others.

Edited June 12, 2023 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, the galah said:

They do seem to suspend people based on each case warranting a certain number of drives penalty and given she doesn't get too many drives it could well end up a lengthy suspension.That approach sometimes leads to penalties which seem excessive for drivers who drive less than others.

I agree.  Shouldn't it be the other way round?  If she gets a lengthy suspension she'll come back lacking race fitness.  

[Nowornever]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

But this particular case does seem to have been particularly poor decision making given she had no pressure to make a split second decision.Come out and get a clear run or go in and run the risk of being held up.Seems a no brainer,but hey,she made that error.I agree that there appears to be no reasonable defence that she could offer to mitigate the level of error.

Probably not a great look either when the stablemate wins the race at relatively long odds

[Brodie]

Amateur races are exactly what they are, races for Amateurs!

Time and time again there are issues and if you bet into them, you should be prepared to take the bad with the bad!

classie Linc shouldve won that race by many lengths, but I thought that it wouldnt win if she went back from the gate, as I know how The driver often drives.

She shouldve gone out and led as it has shown that it can lead!

Yes it was an incompetent drive but I now believe that there is no intent or point in these amateurs trying not to win!

They earn no money from the drives obviously a d do kt for the fun of it and therefore should not be fined!

A suspension and huge telling off should be enough and get these AMATEUR RACES run solely as a NON-TOTE race!

[Special Agent]

Exactly.  Thoroughbred and harness racing is supposed to be professional so why are we allowing a small number some fun?  They look terrible in both codes and are doing racing no favours.

I agree, either make them non-tote penalty free races or send the amateurs back to trial efforts only until competent to gain a proper licence.

Has anyone checked betting figures on amateur races in both codes?  I couldn't imagine turnover being very strong.

[the galah]

Buckland-stevens recognised she made an error and pleaded guilty in the end.

She was given a 7 day suspension,but given they said she only drives once every 2 weeks,they suspended her for over 3 months. Like if it were blair orange who did that(not that he  would),but he would only get a 1 day suspension compared to buckland-stevens 14 weeks.

Does that mean a driver who drives once a year will be suspended 7 years when another more experienced driver would get a one day suspension? sounds like it. 

To base the term of suspension solely on the criteria they do seems to be unfair.

And what about junior drivers. Does that mean someone starting off who gets very few drives would effectively have a career ending suspension. Or do the powers that be that came up with the criteria, treat a junior who doesn't get many drives,different from other drivers who don't drive many.

One assumes they do,so it appears they would be  practicing discrimination based on age.

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by the galah

[Nowornever]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

Buckland-stevens recognised she made an error and pleaded guilty in the end.

She was given a 7 day suspension,but given they said she only drives once every 2 weeks,they suspended her for over 3 months. Like if it were blair orange who did that(not that he  would),but he would only get a 1 day suspension compared to buckland-stevens 14 weeks.

Does that mean a driver who drives once a year will be suspended 7 years when another more experienced driver would get a one day suspension? sounds like it. 

To base the term of suspension solely on the criteria they do seems to be unfair.

And what about junior drivers. Does that mean someone starting off who gets very few drives would effectively have a career ending suspension. Or do the powers that be that came up with the criteria, treat a junior who doesn't get many drives,different from other drivers who don't drive many.

One assumes they do,so it appears they would be  practicing discrimination based on age.

 

Your guess is as good as mine on who gets what penalties. Are you sure they don't just spin a chocolate wheel in the back ground?

[Brodie]

Yes it was poor decision making by Joanne, and everyone can see that!

She also did not do it to lose the race!

Reality is that it was an AMATEUR RACE driven by AMATEUR drivers who do not bet laid for their driving!
What do you expect to happen in AMATEUR RACES, you are going to get some very amateur driving in everyone of them!

If there was no wagering on the races and they were run as non tote races, then she wouldnt be charged and suspended!!

The biggest suspensions are being given to our AMATEUR drivers who are doing the driving just for the fun of it!

Not their fault that people wager on their drives and therefore they should not be treated the same as the professionals paid drivers!

[Brodie]

Sorry was meant to say get paid and not bet laid lol

[Chief Stipe]

10 hours ago, Brodie said:

Not their fault that people wager on their drives and therefore they should not be treated the same as the professionals paid drivers!

Buyer beware.  You know what you are punting in.  Just another way the Stipes are out of touch with the sport and are killing it.

[Honestjohn]

Shamateurs are a joke.  Bunch of idiots with brain explosions.

 

Hj

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Honestjohn said:

Shamateurs are a joke.  Bunch of idiots with brain explosions.

 

Hj

If that's how you feel then I assume you don't bet on amateur driver races.

[the galah]

The decision raises the question, when is "inexperience" to be considered a factor when setting  penalties. 

The answer is,when you are a junior driver..

And it seems when you are an amateur, its not. 

Monika Ranger had a similar charge last month and the adjudicators made a point of referring to her being an inexperienced junior driver and gave her an extra days reduction in penalty for that reason. No such luck for buckland stevens who has had less drives.

Seems reasonable to consider inexperience,so why not consider it every time if its applicable.

Edited June 28, 2023 by the galah

[Gammalite]

51 minutes ago, the galah said:

The decision raises the question, when is "inexperience" to be considered a factor when setting  penalties. 

The answer is,when you are a junior driver..

And it seems when you are an amateur, its not. 

Monika Ranger had a similar charge last month and the adjudicators made a point of referring to her being an inexperienced junior driver and gave her an extra days reduction in penalty for that reason. No such luck for buckland stevens who has had less drives.

Seems reasonable to consider inexperience,so why not consider it every time if its applicable.

Great points Galah. I think those doing things wrong might need more practise , not less lol.... Just have set penalties no matter who it is or how many drives they have .

e.g 1/ skittle another runner = 2 weeks . 2/ failure to give your horse every chance to win by a poor decision in the view of the stewards = 3 weeks suspension.  3/ aiding another driver = 1 year etc etc.

I once caused a fall at Redcliffe . Of course, as Always  you immeadiately blame the horse . hanging, pacing poorly whatever you can think of. 

The stewards said to me " In respect to the penalty ,of which one has to allocated because 2 runners were on the deck , we find you guilty , what say you regarding penalty , $300 fine or suspension? " they actually asked lol 😂.

my reply " crikey mate, piss poor horse could hardly pace, you should be fining whoever broke the bloody thing in , $400 geez thats more than the weeks wages ? you got to be joking . you can't do that to a young fella. I only got $40 for driving the #$%^&thing .

There reply ' One week out, it is then Gamma, now get out of here and don't come back in here (stewards room) with any of these BS excuses again. " lol 😄😂 

[Blackie]

Aussies, no surprises there.

[Honestjohn]

On 6/28/2023 at 11:56 AM, Chief Stipe said:

If that's how you feel then I assume you don't bet on amateur driver races.

 

Correct,  it's a raffle.  

 

Hj

[Rangatira]

20 hours ago, Blackie said:

Aussies, no surprises there.

 

[Gammalite]

21 hours ago, Blackie said:

Aussies, no surprises there.

How about this bloke. now there is a top Aussie 

Rubbed out for a year speaking of penalties on this thread. And did absolutely nothing wrong. Big injustice of all time I reckon . just because he was captain. and some of the lads gave the ball a rub. (they do it all the time on their pants) 

Steve is currently sticking it Right up the Poms in the Ashes . yehaaa !!  lol. nothing better for the Aussies . (apart from beating the kiwis in the Interdominion maybe 😁😉)

Bledisloe Cup ?? what is that ? gave up on that 20 years ago 😂