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Actually the Act says two organisations can lay charges the SPCA and MPI under the Animal Welfare Act.

And the only response the RIB have is to get warrants to wire tap. Why not grill the driver's every race that looks suspect? Plus look at betting records. Apparently they've hired someone to work full time to monitor betting anomalies why not set up AI systems to alert real time? Not that race fixing in NZ on a Harness race in NZ is highly profitable nor worth the effort.

You said they wouldn't last a term! Who is back pedaling?

Geez obviously you didn't support anyone then as the rest on the left are really rabble!

No obviously not as they had the sense to recognise that their evidence was insufficient. They didn't push the Police to lay charges either!

His quarter cracks caused him immense problems. I remember seeing Jack Smolenski after the FFA in the drivers room basically stunned with what Lord Module had just achieved. The quarter cracks were bad enough to flick blood back onto his silks. Probably wouldn't have been able to race in today's world.

Yes it was sad as Single Lord was a real gentleman of a horse. Yes I think they both won races. Shame as a Lordship horse of a good size, speed and temperament and out of a Bachelor Hanover mare he would have made a good sire.

I guess Chippies got limited options but to stay with the same hopeless bunch. Oh well at least nine years to find some talent.

Come @holy ravioli is this going to be like your horse bets all show no go? You said they won't last a term. What odds are you offering? Mind you another couple of months you'll be completely lost in the wilderness.

@holy ravioli what odds are you offering that this Government will go full term?

Pot Kettle. @Walt makes a lot more sense than your ramblings. Are you Tova in drag?

Not a lot more - just the current lot and if they don't want to then they can.

But the assumption is that others are breaking the rules. A lot of that assumption comes from envy. "They must be cheating because they're always winning"!

What consequences? 5 years of legal wrangling and no conviction. Do you think most at the coal face in the industry feel aggrieved by any chance? Do you think there is a climate of mistrust and less cooperation? Do you think that those that legalled up have passed on their experiences? Harness is a close knot community. They may be competitors on the track but they still have beer afterwards.

What odds are you offering? I'll take a hundy.

Right so we ban something so the Crims don't target it? Yep that makes sense - NOT!

Crap

You see @Walt and @Freda the likes of @holy ravioli and the rabid left have only one agenda and that's control. Then they have to play whack a mole. So with regard to the stupid smoking laws that Labour implemented all it would have done is hand more revenue to organised crime and particularly the gangs. Which has seems to be Labour's modus operandi! FFS under the law a 36 year could buy a packet of smokes but a 35 year old couldn't!!! How the hell was it every going to be policed? Na at the end of the day banning something only pushes it underground. @holy ravioli was talking about ram raids - does he think that the remaining dairy sellers of cigarettes wouldn't be targeted?

Precisely. They couldn't find any financial gain that ran into the thousands let alone 100's. You can understand match fixing in Cricket where there are billions in the pools but a harness race at a provincial meeting in NZ?

LOL Isn't that what was happening? All INCA found was nothing other than recreational drug use which is rampant in society anyway!

In five years of court wrangling and investigation there still wasn't anything to see. You've seen the video? As I said 5 years $15m+ all the sophisticated surveillance equipment they could get their hands on and they produce zip nada zilch zero. Why? Because there wasn't anything. Do you really think that these suspected individuals are so smart they could evade all that and to gain what? A few thousand dollars?

Really? They've set an agenda to repeal in 90 days a heap of legislation that Labour implemented. Luxon is already one up on Key. You're disappearing into the wilderness.

Why would they need to or even consider any self reflection when they haven't done anything!!! Why not? They had a bottomless pot of money being funded by industry money. Of course the boot should go in and heads should roll. If as you often infer there was illegal activity then you should also put the boot in because they failed to get a conviction!!!! How do you measure that? What is your baseline? Surely they could have achieved the result you say they have achieved without wasting $15m plus and making the lives of innocent people hell.

Yes based on advice from the RIB staff. Perhaps - we are not sure what the charges are. However, a considerable amount of information has been posted on social media to get a hint of what those charges were. That said the Police are not experts in racing and would rely on what they were told from the RIB I imagine. Some of that "expert" knowledge was suspect to say the least. As always in these things one could "follow the money" and in that regard there is no evidence that any significant monetary gain was made from any alleged fraud. The whole INCA thing has been a farce! So? They did a raid and got nothing to convict other than mainly recreational drug use! INCA had all that evidence from phone tapping etc and had nothing to nail a conviction. So what rot was there? Arguably NONE!

Disqualifications for what? INCA haven't saved face - the Judge said there was no case to answer!!! What deterrent? Was a deterrent needed? Where is the evidence of any wrong doing?