Chief Stipe

No wonder Trainers, Drivers and Owners are getting disillusioned with the game. Funny how the Stipes say they are only there for a group that the have no direct contact with.

You're a dickhead @whiplash smile and as everyone knows on BOAY I rarely call anyone that. Your 20+ posts and New Topics created last night are some of the most vile abusive irrational rants I've seen on BOAY. They will remain hidden. You will remain moderated and if on the rare occasion you write something that makes sense and doesn't abuse anyone then I will unhide it. As for your assertion which is the subject of this Topic and which you made in other posts last night - to put it bluntly it is bollocks. There are no laws that prevent individuals from discussing online what their race picks and favourites are. Nor running a competition that uses a legal betting channel such as TAB NZ. If you want to check anything out you might want to check the rules around running competitions with large prizes based on gambling that don't use approved channels.

Be careful he will start calling you a tosser as well.

FFS @Michael I take it your rehabilitation and reintegration isn't going that well. Stopping from blaming others would be a good first step. BTW I assure you I'm not an idiot.

I wouldn't admit that I deliberately steered to port and say that the horse tends to run away from its problems and got the opportunity to do so when I pulled the ear plugs. But who cares at this rate between SAFE, the woke and the ravenous punters who the Stipes only care about that lost thousands on Saginaw, harness racing is fucked. As for the Senior Drivers I imagine they are starting to get disillusioned with how things play out now.

Because putting you on Ignore doesn't hide other posters comments about what you have written nor hide what you have posted when it is quoted by another poster. Comprendez?

Not the only issue by any stretch - whether he had moved out instead of letting the horse move in would have improved his placing is a purely subjective assessment. Nothing more. The bigger issue for me is that based on that subjective assessment by Stipes that often get it wrong and indeed are rarely consistent Cameron could get 6 months on the sidelines. The hypocrisy there is that when S O'Reilly clearly broke the rules on the same horse she only got a warning. I haven't seen any comments on that.

Perhaps that is what is now wrong with Harness Racing - the focus is entirely on Punters rather than ALL stakeholders. He made a "mistake" in your opinion. So it's clear by everyone that there is no intent to deceive for monetary gain. So he made a mistake because he is not the best of drivers. Regardless of any mitigating circumstances. Yet some of you are baying for blood and putting him out for 6 months. Then you wonder why Harness participation at the sharp end is declining.

Really? The only horse that needed to be constantly tapped up to hold its place from the 600m? BTW as far as I know we don't have in-play betting on Harness yet. Otherwise it might not have ended up being 8/8 in the betting in an eight horse field.

No doubt but a high maintenance cost model. You are now indicating based on the numbers that it will require subsidisation from elsewhere. But there is less and less "elsewhere." Certainly not enough to renovate and repair NZ' best turf track at Riccarton.

That post proves my point really.

Do you really think they would do that? It is apparent that the TAB doesn't do any user requirements and acceptance testing for the website or the app. Although I guess they don't have much say in what they are delivered. I have spent many an hour getting older and technically challenged punters set up to use the TAB app and/or website. Got the nickname Doug 'dot' Com. Recently I haven't had the time or have been constrained by lockdown to help them. I've struggled with some of the recent interface changes so I can imagine they have really struggled or given up. I found the change to how you input your stake on a tote bet non intuitive to say the least. I imagine the old timers have just stuck to Fixed Odds betting.

That's Michael. No 90% of my posts aren't to argue for the sake of it. They are my strongly held opinions. But 99.99% of your posts lately are to either have a dig at @Brodie or me. Plus correct our grammar or spelling. That's cool if that's what inspires you - you are free to post what you like on BOAY as long as it doesn't break a few basic rules.

Speaking of taking the piss.....a bit of humour to start the day off.... VIDEO-2019-05-17-14-39-18.mp4

I was taking the piss. Just think though, the revenue margin on the race will improve if 4 horses start and only one finishes. Mind you TAB NZ would be silly enough to offer odds on how many finish which is no different to two horse head to head options.

I'm of the opinion that the penalties that have been handed out haven't all been correct nor consistent in their application with regard to similar and other types of offences. The irony is that there doesn't seem to be any positive correlation between the severity of the penalties and punter revenue.

You realise what some will say....."Just goes to show you it isn't all about stakes. A $20k hurdle race at Te Aroha and only 4 can be bothered to turn up". Is there a time limit on a hurdle race? I mean if you were out of contention and running 4th with a 1000m to go you would canter as much as you could, try and nail every jump, finish and collect $750. It isn't really $20k is it though? More like $18,200 as $1,800 won't be paid out. If they don't all get round and finish it will be a big saver! Not that a 4 horse hurdle field will attract much punting. Then again $1:40 fixed odds on the favourite....could be a good multiple multiplier.

The "hit" was taken by the rank and file stakeholders.

No I'm NOT arguing for the sake of arguing. I strongly disagree with those that say Cameron should get anywhere between 3 and 6 months for not "hooking out at the 200m" when he had a second to do so. He may have made an error of judgement but that is just a grandstand opinion. I'm convinced there are mitigating circumstances. @Unhinged has hinted that there are. Don't be surprised if Cameron does get a lengthy holiday that the horse is sacked. The punters will be happy with that. Even though Saginaw was 8/8 in the betting in an 8 hose field. Hardly carrying the weight of the tote was it? Speaking of drives and Saginaw. Go back and have a look at the S O'Reilly (J) drive on Saginaw on 6 August. She gave the horse every chance but I'm not as a Trainer or Owner I would have been happy with it. The Stipes report: SAGINAW - driver S O'Reilly was spoken to regarding the manner in which she shifted ground approaching the 500 metres despite not being in possession of a clear advantage. Paced roughly near the 150 metres. She got a warning but in my opinion the drive warranted more than that. But as @JTeaz says "as ANY Stipe will tell you the only people they are there to serve is the PUNTER" so pushing out in that fashion is fine if you get away with it and the punter collects.

But didn't the NZ TAB show an increase in turnover during the last lockdown? That being part of the reason for a slightly improved result turnover wise?

That's a very good point @Brodie. What did the Lamb the starter cost punters, drivers, trainers and owners over recent years? I don't recall him being stood down for 6 months for repeated infringements of not giving a horse every opportunity.

You don't - so your realisation is wrong. You just need an opinion. This channel isn't like other channels in that it accepts ALL opinions - even those that are disagreed with or derogatory to the owner. How can it remind you? You haven't been banned, your account hasn't been accessed and used for nefarious purposes and you haven't been on the receiving end of vile personal abuse from the owner. However one thing I do have in common with the perpetrator of your past ills is defending strongly those that have real skin in the game. It is easy for the aggrieved punter to come on here bay for blood e.g. sack him for 2 months, no make that 3 months, no it was much worse than that give him half the year of!! Many of those "Punters" that do that have no idea about horsemanship nor any idea of the vagaries of driving a 500kg animal at 50km/h with two bits of leather sitting over two bike wheels. I assure you very few horses are point and click!

How many actually noticed it until after he was charged and read about it in the Stipes report?

In you opinion when should he have "hooked" him?

That is utter Bullshit. If ANY stipe says that they only serve the punter then they should be sacked. They are there to ensure the integrity of the sport and the safety and welfare of participants including both horse and driver.