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Who cares. Like most things though those that "knew" can't be really certain they did.

Your supposition doesn't hold up to scrutiny based on facts. Anyway according to @Brodie they never left.

VE. Wouldn't matter if the track was heavy, soft or good.

I disagree. Sure later in Winx's career many horses avoided her but she won all her races with ease. As for Frankel - happy to do a comparison but I suspect the analysis will have Winx out on top by a length at least.

Your analogy is flawed aside from the fact you are comparing a standardbred with a thoroughbred. The only difference between today's pacers and those of Cardigan Bay's era is that they can run fast sectionals one after the other. The increase in top speed has been minimal. WINX could run fast sectionals back to back as well. However the times she broke race records are only one factor in assessing her superiority. Not only did she break decades long race records but also record acheivements in terms of races won in a season and weight carried. For example she was the first horse since 1990 to win the Epsom and Doncaster in the same season carrying I think a record weight of 56.6kg for a mare in the Doncaster. The horse to hold that record previously was Super Impose. So your analogy is flawed simply because WINX broke records that had stood for 25 years or more - not just time records. Records held by horses such as Might and Power, Kingston Town, Super Impose and others that were the most outstanding horses of a generation.

So you don't have any alternatives.

Winx - 4 Cox Plates. Race record knocking off Might And Power. Equalled Kingston Towns record of three straight and then for good measure won a fourth. Greatest winning margin of 8 lengths. I'd have taken your money anytime Joe simply because you seem to be driven by emotion rather than analysis.

Sadly Reefton you are succumbing to the tactic of ad hominem attacks rather than facts and analysis. The way Show Gate was treated is irrelevant. On the basis of individual performances over individual distances against higher quality fields she wouldnt have beaten either Winx or Verry Elleegant. Was Show Gate more durable? Perhaps a case could be argued for that however what you forget is that for Winx and Verry Elleegant to win at the level they have they are also trained hard. To compete in Sydney or Melbourne you need to be at 95%+ every start.

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No recreational drugs Joe. Show Gate wouldn't have got within cooee of Winx. I might have given Show Gate some points for versatility but Verry Elleegant now holds that mantle by a country mile or two.

Pot Kettle. I assure you my mind is not locked into the status quo. Far from it however it is clearly evident you have no alternative to the status quo. Therefore as you assert debate is futile because you haven't stated anything.

There we go throwing around terms you don't really understand or have no meaning. Your alternative is?

I think she would have been just as good - probably better. WINX could run time and the class of opposition she faced was light years ahead of Showgates era.

Interesting that the NZ Trotting Cup has had more publicity than Riccarton so far this week. Seems without the party at Riccarton there is no interest.

Didn't that start under Lange's Labour Government?

None of your business.

Don't be so precious let alone assume that anyone cares. You outed yourself many times.

The All Stars generally peak for the money days. Aim of every good stable.

I guess it could be Mark Purdons driving that improves them by lengths. His drive in the third on Sam Smolenski's horse I Dream of Jeanie improved that horse by 7 lengths.

I just pointed out that you made the comment BEFORE the Sires Final. So what horse(s) prior to that race improved five lengths? I never said anything about Franco Indie losing or gaining any lengths.

Considering you made the comment before the Sires final which Mark Purdon winners before that race "improved by 5 lengths"?

WTF are you on about?

On what basis do you determine that the "improvement in performance" is "significant"?