Rowley Mile

Jesus Brian, sinister? got your gander hasn't it? I'm stating facts, they are on the public record, as to your comment re Aussie stewards, they had the hard evidence in front of them to issue a charge/s.....Waller wasn't charged, but his employee was, then disqualified.Fraud Brian, read, Fraud!!!!...... Weir has copped heaps of fines, one of 15K, another charge to be levied shortly, on an another issue.....your defence of these people leave me astounded, so I'm off.......no more on this for me, your standards are far different than mine, and your whatever it takes attitude is way divorced from my MO.

No Brian, you are off on a different tangent, if you read my post again you will see I refer to Weir;s record re needles and tubing etc, NOT Waller!......I refer to Wallers rehiring of a disq person.......I'm done with this, but I learn all the time and I'm substantially older than you.

Brian, your response now leads me to ask you in your capacity as an accountant...by saying you don't care what Waller or whoever gets up to you are condoning the business practice of that stable? What if the person who lost out was a client of yours? What would you recommend they do to recover THEIR money? I'm not saying Waller is complicit but why would you re-hire a person who defrauded your clients? By that action alone, it leaves the door open for innuendo and I would have thought no stable business can afford that. Chief Stipe is watching this thread carefully but this is all on the public record.

I've had horses lead all the way at the 'old' Valley, and come from behind, it's not beyond a horse to sit wide and win there, the secret though is to have cover and not get caught on the fence when they go at the school, if the Poms go hard early it will be interesting, but if it's a sit and sprint I can't see them giving her a start and a beating.

And over here, it's you against the bookie, may the best man win.

Yep, it is.

Do yourself a favour Brian, read about the time the stipes were driving to the races and see the float pulled up side of road, and they decided to ''assist''......and what they found, and the day they found needles.....oh what a read, as for CW, would I ever give a horse of mine to a bloke that did what he did? no way Jose, our trainers are the other sort......hand on heart, if I ever stoop to that I give you permission to shoot me....please.

What a load of cobblers, trying to save their arses more like, they are gone burgers if John gets his way......when you read it in it's entirity their philosophy should have been their mantra, Do as I do, not as I say, integrity, shoot me, transparency, same......we don't trust you, the JCA is worse, no confidence in the lot, make the lot redundant and see where they pop up, that will tell the story.

I'll stick up for Paula here, I flew to Argentina a while back and beside Richie McCaw being on board so was Paula. It was the inaugural flight for Air NZ into Pistarini [BUE Airport]. I was in Premium Economy, J CLass was chockers, during the flight a bub started crying, her Mum was sitting a few seats across from me, her Mum was so tired, she looked absolutely shot to pieces.....Paula put her head around the curtain, saw what was happening, came though into our cabin and offered her nursing skills to the harassed Mum..... God alone knows how long Paula walked about nursing the baby, peace came over the cabin, we all slept, Richie wasn't the hero on that flight, Ms Bennett was.....I salute you Paula.

3 runners here in Oz today, three really poor runs, one for Marsh as Fav......the plane home should be full, at least 6 weeks in those lovely green paddocks of yours.

You guys in Chch live in Bubble Land. Lets look at Weir first, google him, look at the needles, look at the fines and the scathing wrap, go back a bit, check it out...I dare you.....Waller, his right hand man, Liam Prior, sold a horse to HK and didn't disclose to the owners the true price, the owners, very suspicious, did their due diligence, and whoa and behold, clear deception and therefore Prior disq for 6 months.....what a blight on the stable, and you guessed it, Waller knew nada.....so, who gets rehired immediately his disq is up....yep, none other than one Liam Prior...and not as a shit picka upper....back into the same job he had before he was caught out...with Richard Callender who cried into the phone when he admitted to the owners what had transpired.....Who would re-hire this kind of person? C Waller that's who. And before you all get so righteous, what would you do if someone you trusted did that to your owners and discredited your business, would you re-hire him?......Waller urged the clients to sell, and the horse of course has gone on and won gazillions.....so Waller apologises to them.....what a look, and yet the sycophants line up to have a horse with him......I give up......but I'd love to hear the defence, cmon, throw it back.

She's tough CC, she has to be, she has won races when sitting 3 wide the journey, pulling her head off, not an easy ride, this blokes on a hiding to nothing in all reality, he slaughters her, a laughing stock, the Aussies take no prisoners, he wins, well, the winner cam laugh and the other please themselves....very intriguing, for mine the Poms will win this, Winx wont get he charmed run through she has had previously at the Valley, the Poms will go hard as they do....a great race coming up. The valley isn't as tough as some make out, I've been lucky enough to win a few there when I trained in MEL including the Cox Plate distance......the secret, keep out of trouble!

Another thing, but not limited to, they have that many horses they have to travel, a ceiling has to be initiated so they are not factories, what trainer can oversee 300 horses? that's a joke in itself.......

I think Shu the prizemoney is the carrot, 32K for a provincial maiden and 22K for the Bush Bush.......city maidens are 50K now, NZ is so far behind it's a damn joke when you look at the salaries at the top, how disgusting, I feel sick in the guts when I think what Jackson, Hughes and Saundry earn, what a bloody disgrace!!!!

Moonee Valley has the most amazing owners rewards, too many to mention on here, but just a sheer shaming of NZ Racing and it's attitude towards owners, but then again, no one holds a gun to your head to race a horse do they? self imposed pain, what's the latin word again?

Duly Noted!

I see they have 330 horses or so in work, thats according to very accurate NZ Racing records, last season they earned some 240K in percentages ...each. 10% of their prizemoney. Allowing for the horses in work, I would say they are one of the few training business's that make money from their daily fee. This year they are not looking so hot, only 25k each so far in the bank [thats if their agreement allows for a 50/50 split] so unless they win most of the KIWI classics over your carnivals and heaps of premier days it might be a very lean season. Bjorn is a different animal, Waller is his nemesis, sheer numbers is Bjorns archilles heel, plus the emergence of new trainers like Mark Newnham and Brad Widdup, so life might be very different shortly, ......you can't live on memories and photos on the wall. How long before Stephen Marsh bolts to Oz? or Tony Pike, that might free up the north so Murray stays top of the tree as Rogie is a spent cartridge. IMO of course.

Coming here winning Gr1 races might be a thing of the past for Kiwi trainers, unless they change the rules re the Euro horses, they are so much stronger than ours, we don't get much of a look in now. Winx maybe the exception, we will know SAT, but even then these raiders from the north are not their first tier, God help us if they sent down the likes of Cracksman and Enable......imagine.......

I was at the races at Doomben a few weeks back when Bjorn got his last city winner, one city winner from his last 50 starters, he's trained three in total and had to go as far as Orange to get that, 4 hours from SYD.......so the wheels are spinning slowly at that stable, his old man had a good day at Te Rapa apparently, but as for his class horses, not so good nowadays. BTW, I reckon Andrew Forsman is a beaut, he speaks well and presents professionally, that was the best move Murray ever made...IMO of course.

I'm a bit in MM's camp Pete, Murray has been bringing horses over here to Oz for yonks, but this is his most disastrous trip yet, and even last year one of his mares looked terrible in the mounting yard and raced accordingly. Might be time for him to send Andrew over, he never gets a good trip away, it's always Muzza, and as for Bjorn, he has a gazillion horses in work at the Farm, and is back to chasing around country NSW......there are more nobodys than somebodys Pete, and thats a fact.

Did your socks match your sandals?.....oh that's right, only Poms wear socks with sandals.

Noms are out for Doomben and Goldie SAT.......well, no noms, only 1 from a visiting SYD trainer......so the boys and gals have stuck, bloody ripper, now to make this stupid woman wake up.......QLD might just teach the NZ Trainers association something about loyalty and committment, to the industry that feeds and clothes us all....or should!

Absolutely!!!.how the hell a Kiwi trainer [mainstream, not elite!] can make a profit from their daily rate is unimaginable. That's what makes the salaries of the elite sickening, it's insulting, and they should hang their heads in shame. I guess that's why you don't see too many of those salary men oncourse, raceday.

Where's KFE? Why doesn't she just bugger off and let someone who gives a shit a go.

Donna Logan keeps this poor old bugger up there in the heat for what? Ego? send him home, either a long holiday or a bloody paddock. Having spent a lot of time up there in the early 80's it's a shit hole, even with the new airconditioned boxes, the grog, the tucker, and did I mention the grog........the trainers live in a rarified atmosphere, more so than Honkers, reality passes them by, the heat is no problem, out on the golf course and in the club house, or by the pool most days....but for many expat Kiwi horses, it's purgatory and that's being kind.....I know, I've lived it, and boy do I regret it.....money talks though, so come on Donna, he was your fav remember, send him home to the warm climes of the north, not the furnace of SING......