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Happy Sunrise

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  1. Is your favourite Iraklis starting on Friday?
  2. 161 nominations for Invercargill is impressive.
  3. John Dunn was on the news training the horses on the beach so I would suspect those horses would be fit. You would think the horses who have trialed would be a better bet than those unseen.
  4. So we might be getting 2 meetings this week. One on Thursday and one on Friday since the trials have had such big numbers. I hope they do or it is going to be a big barn winning fest. Every man and his dog will be pouring over the trial coverage finding a winner lol. I also think it is going to feel a bit weird and off putting seeing racing again, but then I will see on odds and 6 horses paying under 2 dollars a place in a 9 horse field and I will quickly realise things are just like like they used to be...
  5. 'they' are still the minority, most of the public don't care about racing. However, the people who are on this crusade against racing can bring out their trump card which is jumps racing, as they believe it is cruel to animals which, in my opinion, is true. We all know if we searched up jump racing falls on YouTube it would be a hideous sight. No argument about the treatment of horses can be won if jumps racing continues. Whips are small fry compared to the destruction of horses trying to jump a fence and then dying from the fall. The video of the horses being slaughtered in Australia and jumps racing would suggest otherwise in the eyes of the public. Take away the extremes and it would make the public perception much better.
  6. Get rid of jumps racing. Sacrifice this aspect of racing to protect the rest. I think it would make racing more acceptable to the public and help make the industry more sustainable.
  7. He is abusive and threatening to people on websites like these when one voices an opinion he doesn't agree with. Your prerogative to believe he is a good and decent man. I just don't concur from what I have seen.
  8. You are out of luck, Ranga, the TAB have stopped the buses going to Addington as well. You will have to get Brodie to pick you up on the way to the races. You might get an ear bashing but at least it is a free ride.
  9. Good story. Shame it doesn't anymore.
  10. I very rarely bet on sports like rugby because the odds are so tiny. I might combine some 1.30 or 1.40 shots with a horse at odds just for fun when i am either off my tree or a bit tipsy. Normally, I would scroll through all the options and turn up my nose at 99% of them because the odds were so tight or the option was based on total luck that no one could predict. So true, TG. Rutherford seems like a genius in this article but all he is really doing is resonating with the punter. By shutting down the radio, TV shows, on course presenters etc it is like the TAB is going is going fishing without any bait on the end of their line and that is almost more dangerous than refusing clubs racing dates.
  11. No disagreement from me with much of this article but I am sure the new leaders of RITA know what they are doing by boarding up the shop window. ? https://www.lincolnfarms.co.nz/stories/captain-ken-we-have-to-protect-our-industry-now-and-hit-the-overseas-bookies-for-a-six/ Captain Ken: We have to protect our industry now and hit the overseas bookies for a six By Barry Lichter • 21 May 2020 One time head sports bookie Ken Rutherford never thought he’d see the day when he’d be advocating banning Kiwi punters from betting overseas. But the former test cricket captain is used to going on a front foot attack and says the industry is in such a precarious state he believes it has no option. Rutherford, who captained New Zealand in 18 tests and 38 one-day internationals, has more than a dozen years experience in wagering, first with the New Zealand TAB, where he became head of sports betting in 2004, and then five years in a similar role in Singapore. So when he says the industry now has to “gang up” on the corporate bookies overseas, it’s with more experience than some of the people who have been running the TAB into the ground in recent years. Ken Rutherford … former New Zealand test cricket captain.“If you’d asked me two years ago whether I would be in favour of stopping people from having overseas accounts I’d have disagreed strongly. I would have said we had to stand on our own two feet and compete. “But things have got so bad we need to make sure we are now supporting the New Zealand industry.” A $2.5 million slice of the Government’s $72.5 million bailout package announced last week has been set aside for the Department Of Internal Affairs to fast-track work on online gambling, including considering measures to mitigate the loss of millions through more and more New Zealanders gambling through offshore platforms. Rutherford says he knows the idea of blocking the IP addresses of overseas operators will go down poorly with many people who will see limiting or denying competition as a retrograde step. He himself closed his New Zealand TAB account some time ago because of poor service. “But I think punters need to take some short term pain for long term gain. And if we can get the industry back on track maybe any restriction could be eased. “I just see our market shrinking so much. The new website didn’t function half as well as the old one and was so poor it drove away truckloads of punters, particularly the bigger ones. “The TAB’s position is totally untenable unless we can stop so many punters betting offshore - the size of the internal market is not sufficient to allow a large portion of that market to wager offshore.” Rutherford believes a lot of people simply don’t understand the way the industry is funded, and that overseas bookies contribute nothing to the local industry. Rutherford spent five years in South Africa working in the equivalent of Trackside and marketing, advancing to CEO in 2012, and says the TAB there is collapsing because of a lack of contribution from bookies and support from Government . “There needs to be a decent PR campaign to educate people that we need to be supporting our industry here – otherwise there won’t be an industry. “Of course the onus will be on the TAB to up their game.” Punters were more knowledgeable than 10 years ago and wouldn’t put up with poor service, worse odds and a lack of information. Rutherford said he could never understand why a succession of TAB chiefs placed such an emphasis on promoting fixed odds betting when the product at best realised half of the 16.5% of tote betting income. John Allen … wanted a Lamborghini betting engine.Allen naive about wagering And he believes former CEO John Allen, under whose watch the disastrous fixed odds betting platform was born, was quite naive about wagering. Rutherford, in his former role as Waikato Racing Club chief executive, attended a number of the road shows Allen put on when he promoted the need to spend lavish amounts on a Lamborghini engine to drive betting. “He told everyone we could afford it, because it would generate all this extra money.” Rutherford says he questioned Allen several times about where the extra growth was going to come from and pointed out that in his experience few punters would bet on the “frilly stuff” he was so desperate to provide. “He was claiming if you gave punters 100 options on one rugby game you’d grow turnover exponentially. “But, from the time I started bookmaking, the core options like head-to-head, points start, winning margin and first try always accounted for 85% to 90% of your turnover on a game. That will never change. The TAB was dreaming. Allen was delusional and just didn’t understand the business.” Anecdotally, says Rutherford, many bookies would actually tell you turnover decreased with too many betting options per match. Too much choice confused punters. Once integrated, the TAB would then have spent truckloads in marketing the new products for little net reward. Rutherford says the growth figures spouted by successive CEOs (Andrew Brown, Chris Bayliss and Allen) were pure spin. “They always talked about how well turnover was going at major sporting events, with no mention of the most important stat - net revenue. A now familiar email from the TAB to thousands of punters.“And someone at the TAB has to tell us about the cost of the bonus bets that are handed out? Do these essentially promotional items get bundled up into total turnover figures (thus fudging the numbers).” When Rutherford first started at the TAB in 2001, setting odds on cricket, racing and football, he said it was a traditional Kiwi outfit, run by passionate people in it more for love of the game than money. But gradually he detected a change and by the time he left in 2006 when Graeme Hansen was CEO it had become a “corporate monolithic bureaucracy.” “All the CEOs seem to have done since is added layer upon layer of bureaucracy and management. “I challenge the current crop to roll up their sleeves, get their hands dirty and prepare to fight.” The synthetic track at Pakenham where remedial work was done last year to reduce kickback.Synthetic tracks a mistake? Rutherford says with $26 million of the Government’s $50 million emergency package gone already on RITA’s outstanding bills, there isn’t a lot left to boost racing so he questions another $20 million being ring fenced to build two more synthetic tracks at Awapuni and Riccarton. “Surely if you’re on a tight budget the money should be spent on strategies to grow the business. I can’t see two more polytracks doing that. “I know by saying that I will get offside with trainers - and I get that they need good surfaces for their horses - but we won’t get all that money back.” The tracks would also be a real burden for the clubs which will have to raise another $6 million each to build them and later more money to maintain them. “If you’re so keen to shore up the infrastructure wouldn’t you be far better off getting your top six to eight tracks in the country spot on - like Ellerslie, Te Rapa, Awapuni, Hastings and Riccarton - so they can cope with the increased activity they’ll face with the closure of all these other tracks?” Rutherford, now the CEO at the Hawkesbury Racing Club in New South Wales, says its synthetic track is used only for training and not racing and only Canberra combines the roles. “They’re not a good wagering product - Pakenham in Victoria doesn’t do a lot of turnover - and many trainers don’t want to run their horses on them. “I hope I’m wrong and in five years people are saying thank goodness we had these all weather tracks.” Preserve media coverage Rutherford says he believes the industry would benefit far more if say even $5 million was put into preserving, and improving, the media coverage of racing. It was a monumental mistake for the industry to shut its window to the public. “It’s mind boggling how quickly they’ve wound back their services. The cost to the industry will be far greater than the savings they’re making. “I can’t fathom how they’ve cut back so much on the TV component and it makes no sense having no more radio.” TV preview shows in Australia like ‘Get On’ were paid for by the TAB which recognised their value in driving betting. And having experts like Grant Nisbett on half an hour before a rugby match, absolutely generated more interest. As a punter who always had a Best Bets hanging out his back pocket and remembers the 8am scratching service on radio, Rutherford says form guides and racing in the newspapers are a complete must if you don’t want betting to drop. “These decisions are being made by people who just don’t get it, all they’re doing is slashing and burning for the bottom line and blaming it all on COVID when we all know they were in trouble long before that. “I don’t want to come across like a know-it-all but it’s absolute rubbish to say it’s a generational thing and only older punters want hard copies of form. It’s part of racing. “I know how many racebooks we sell at Hawkesbury and it’s all to young guys. You don’t see everyone walking around with a phone in their hands, swiping the screen. “It’s a death knell if you don’t do all you can to keep wagering going.”
  12. Any good?
  13. ....Scissorhands? but the game is already cut to ribbons...?
  14. The person stepping up would have to be an insider wouldn't they or they wouldn't have a clue to what is going on. Mick Guerin? Garrick Knight? Andrew Fitzgerald? Willing types....?
  15. Brodie, you are up.
  16. Free advertising: Clogging State Highway 1 with floats for hours.
  17. Kid Kartz might be wiped out in Otago and Taranaki. I suppose it depends on what happens to the venues but hard to sell when there is no racing near.
  18. Ludwig, the question is...what is the product?
  19. So if you were a committee member of a club who was being asked to race elsewhere a fair distance from your local community, would you? Why?
  20. Must have cost NSW TAB about 300 million for a website like that ?
  21. Seems like the clubs in the future. This relationship between TAB and Club seems to be in favour of just one. Lichter again... https://www.lincolnfarms.co.nz/stories/revealed-where-the-tab-staff-cuts-are-being-made-are-senior-leaders-getting-off-light/ ‘Transitioning’ in TABs In a parallel move to its intention of not having any over-the-counter ticket sales when people return to the racetracks, RITA will start transitioning people in retail shops into using self service terminals and their own devices to bet. RITA could also be expecting clubs to fund the procurement of self service terminals (SSTs) with its statement that punters would need to bring their own devices to tracks or use “SSTs owned by clubs.” The TAB’s elite punters - the 1% who bet 30% of its turnover - won’t be spared in the cost-cutting either. RITA plans to remove certain of their benefits and reduce or eliminate hosting special events for them. But it proposes to freeze the qualifying criteria temporarily to hopefully retain as many elite punters as possible. Large media campaigns, social media paid activity and product launches will be reduced as they will be unaffordable. The contact centre, which helps answer punters’ queries, will have fewer staff. Consultation on RITA’s proposals closed yesterday with final decisions made on Monday week, May 25.
  22. Who would have thought just a few months ago the North Island would look like that.
  23. Barry Lichter is fast becoming a key man in this information war. That draft put out by RITA was almost unreadable with its colour choice on a white background. https://www.lincolnfarms.co.nz/stories/check-out-where-when-and-how-many-times-theyre-racing-in-the-20-21-draft-harness-dates/
  24. And to add to my own comment. There is no way it is going to improve. Not with what is being proposed. Does anyone think people from Waimate will travel to Oamaru? Gore to Invercargill? Geraldine to Methven? Will sponsors go? RITA and HRNZ are getting a free ride from the clubs by using mostly unpaid personnel to run meetings at different courses from their hometown. I would conclude two things. 1. Attendances, and everything associated with being on course, is unimportant. 2. RITA and HRNZ have essentially closed the tracks of some clubs but they wish to retain the unpaid volunteer of these clubs so they a) do not pass on increased workloads to the members of the clubs who have new dates and b) they get to run the meeting like they used to for next to nothing. If I am incorrect, what are the costs of the TAB and what are the cost of the club on race day?
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