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Yes, a trainer can get a raceday standown recinded if found the Vet has made a wrong prognosis, which does happen from time to time. Example, bitch in season, then found not to be, or pain somewhere after a race, then you get home and recheck next day, and its all gone, these things happen, and Vets are not infallible. The rules allow for a second opinion, and standowns can be shortened or overturned altogether by representing the dog to the Vet. In the case of this dog, I agree with Yankiwi, it should of got a holiday because it clearly turned its head, but because it got lucky with the Vet detecting what was probably an historic injury, it escaped the penalty it was due. I do not see anything sinister in this, but rather the dog and trainer got lucky on this occasion. If the Stipes were doing their job, this old historic injury should of been noted. The dog will probably do it again, so the need to be aware of the history.

Yes, i'm afraid the more the NZ TAB lose customers, the more they take out of the pools. This is their answer to declining turnover, just take more out of the pools. NZ is now at the stage where the takeout on quaddies is 26%, as compared to our cousins across the Tasman where its 22%. This is just one example.

If the Gracilis was a historic injury, which I fully expect that it was, why didn't that same professional vet detect it prior to it starting the race. Obviously the dog was checked prior to kenneling & then again just prior to the race, right? It wasn't an issue prior to the race, so why was it an issue after the dog played up? Obviously it didn't effect the dog while running the race. Favouritism I suggest. I have to disagree on this statement above Yankiwi. Race day Vets are responsible for vetting a huge amount of dogs in a very short time, maybe only a minute on each dog. The vetting procedure has time limits, ie 1 hour. The best that can be accomplished in this short time frame is only a basic and obvious check, toes, demeanor, gait approaching vet table, eyes, nose etc. I would never expect a vet to detect an historic injury as described in this case on a pre race vet check, unless something tipped him off such as approaching the table with a limp. So to my mind, this dog getting through the pre race check is not an issue. When a dog is checked after the race by a vet, there is no time restraint, and a much more thorough examination can be carried out. Just my view on it.

Correction, I was under the impression Dyna Diode was just starting career, I now see its had 33 starts, so that puts the head turning in a different light for me.

After watching that race I have to say, what a tremendous effort by the winning dog to be headed, come again and turn its head, and then go on to win the race impressively, all this with a torn gracilis.muscle. Must say though, not the worst case of head turning that we witness on ever frequent occasions from around the country. My opinion, because dog was only just starting career, a warning could have sufficed. I do not believe the gracilis played any factor in the dogs victory.

Did you notice the whimsical turnover without the co mingling. Went to have a quaddie at Flemington until I noticed no co mingling. Rang the help desk to enquire whether the takeout rate will change on the quaddie now that it was not co mingled. My worst fears were realised when after going to his supervisor he informed me it would now be 26% takeout as against 20% if co mingled. Is it little wonder NZ racing is going down the gurglar.

Yes, I thought the track played very fair with winners coming from all angles. Well done to the committee with what looked like a highly successful day, good crowd too.

The more bet types when confronted with a small betting base is tantamount to shooting the pie with a shotgun splintering the pools ever lower, thereby creating a lesser incentitive to betting. How hard is that to understand. Morons.

You know Chief, once upon a time I followed domestic gallops all the time, now I only bet on Victorian gallops, and the odd bets elswhere in Aus. It was the quality and takeout difference that weaned me off the domestic product, and I bet I am not the only one.

Correction Chief, we get shafted on the takeout on a substandard product.

Could not put it better myself, absolutely correct. I have commented on this for years. Did you know that the takeout on a NZ quinella on a domestic race is greater than one on an Australian race even when co mingled. So you can have two people standing in a NZ TAB taking quinellas, one bets Riccarton, one bets Flemington, and the deduction will be greater on the NZ race. It gets worse, a punter standing in an Australian TAB betting on a NZ race will pay the higher takeout as well. This could not be better designed to lower turnover on NZ racing. Unbelieveably stupid.

Hes also had far worse dogs cramping and falling during races in a twisted heap, Count Crackers springs to mind.

Trail?..... how about trial.

Any scratching after 7.30am morning of race is deemed a late scratching is it not?.

Higher takeouts result in falling turnover. More bet types result in falling turnover. Its quiet simple really, but the morons do not get it. The pie is only so big. The more you shred it, the smaller the pools. The smaller the pools, the less attractive to bet into them. The higher takeouts result in less return to the punter, who in turn goes broke quicker, which results in falling turnover. The lunatics in Petone should of been reducing the takeouts years ago, and trimming running costs to increase punter participation and grow the pie.

Great move by the WRC. If the shysters in Wellington had got their greedy hands on it, it would of been sold to developers and probably become houses. And the developers would probably been mates of mates. Hats off to the Club members for putting their community first, a shinning example for other Clubs.

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Do they drug test Stewards?.

Agree 100% re society today Cocky, could not have said it better myself.

You halfwit, It was water for f#ck sake, doing the right thing by the horse. I know John Luxton, and there would absolutely be nothing underhand happening here. Just a stupid rule that is bullshit.

Yes, read the Midas Man, another fantastic book, also the Bart Cummings one, title eludes me.

If you liked the Gambling Man, then other great reads revolving around Bookies and corruption in Australia is Frank Hardy's Power without Glory. About the life of John Wren, in the book John West. He was responsible for the Totalisator beginning in Aus. Like the Gambling Man, it had to go through long Court battles just to get published.

You need to read the Gambling Man, author somebody by the name of Perkins, well known Sydney journalist, all about Bill Waterhouse, fantastic read. His life story.

Probably referring to me Cocky, but I can take it, water off a ducks back.??

Hi Freda, did not know that the power had been taken from the Clubs in TB racing, and yes you are right, look at it now. I suppose when you stand back and look at the entire industry here in NZ, it was always going to fail. The real question is, how quick that failure was going to be. If things had been done differently, then I would suggest it could of been stretched out for a further 10 years than would now otherwise be. Its a rapidly changing world now, and a week is a long time. New generations are not into racing, and farming has changed, where once upon a time they were the backbone of the horse codes. Couple that with a small population, and the rise of the greenies, then the future was always going to be bleak. Australia has always had the edge on NZ by virtue of population, and a culture of gamblers, so they will last longer. NZ I think made the mistake of trying to compete with them rather than modeling its own future to suit our own needs. The end result will be the same for Australia eventually as they are facing the same problems as here, greenies, new generations, technology, and choice. Sad really, but one thing we have, we enjoyed the good times when racing was on top.