Huey

I think you over look the peripheral benefits of having customers D&E in particular in large volume, its this kind of thinking that has started the ruination of racing in NZ. Its these people that assist in building the next generation of race goers , local interest and stories not your A&B customers most of them are gone when they realise how hard it is. Do TA or Go Racing ignore their D&E customers, no because they know those D&E contribute to their business and some of them will become A,B&C customers. Do you hear them saying customer D&E should not be worried about lets just look after the A&B customers who have huge shares, no thats not how they work and its not how racing works , there is a place for everyone. Not to mention racing cannot afford to just spit out its D&E customers , its done that with a couple of generations of customers who its tried to ply back with alcohol and parties to get them to return and guess what its not a long term solution, I think racing would give anything to have D&E customers from those lost generations it would sure help a lot. I fear this will be the real kick in the teeth for NZ racing once the TAB , racing clubs and Pubs are torn to pieces they are community hubs and you'll lose huge amounts of interest in the sport by getting rid of them.

Think how bad the numbers would be on the website if they didn't offer bonus bets etc to entice punters to use it.

Youre right an absolute flop. I'm not a sports punter but the offering of several more options for sports betting was one of the obvious reasons for it, I'm not sure the majority of kiwi punters is sophisticated enough for more options (SLB 2.0 I think is a sports punter what are your thoughts on that?) and they absolutely destroyed the racing side of things in my opinion.

That progress is all well and good Barry if you have a website that works, if you don't and you'd have to be mad to thing that TAB website is any good and the numbers align with that its hopeless, so you've got to continue to service your customers until you have something to move them onto. The problem with the NZ TAB is they believe their own hype and just put something in place and expect the punter/customer to flock to it , it doesn't and shouldn't work like that. I don't believe the website was even tested on decent number of customers before release, if it was the customers must have all been sports bettors. So failing that you have to have channels for them to bet with or get information on otherwise you lose them, I'm perplexed at all of this progress garbage when 40% of the TAB customers are probably of retirement age, why alienate them? and thats not just the TAB thats racing in general, racing missed a couple of generations but wants to jump into the future before they catch up. Have you tried to watch race replays on loveracing or Live racing on TAB app on mobile devices absolutely hopeless. Apart from the pdf form on the TAB website or knowing a lot of other sites to get that info (and most customers don't know them) you need a formguide available for the punter. I believe the reason for the decline here has been distribution and a lack of reliability of the product. Sometimes you have to look outside your bubble and see there are others out there.

They'll close them no doubt about it. Racing in this country can't help but kick itself in the foot. Got rid of Freeview, Informant,Phonebet the list goes on and on, just another nail in the coffin. They probably think they have done well online with no stores/pubs etc open but they have had a captive audience.

If you were here for the last 18 months you'd be confused as the rest of us, the real answer is there isn't a factual one, because there hasn't been any analysis completed. Most participants in the industry know that favouritism, bias etc has led to these decisions. Its somewhat odd how no existing clubs with plenty of race days, full time staff were targeted for closure.

Be interesting to see who the Senior Management team is after all of this.

Neither are the closure of several tracks necessary , but they are part of the wider scheme of destroying the sport. My point is , is this yet another element of undertaking race meetings that wasn't communicated to the wider industry and just a select few, which appears to be a very prevalent tactic, whether you deem it necessary or not.

So sounds like (well a lot of initiatives in NZ racing do) this is another means of culling courses, the most overrated strategic objective in NZracing!

Absolutely, out of interest were Wingatui at all told that this would be something they may require for racing in the future?

Isn't the promo just that a promo, so not real $ going on a FF bet? So how is it(that race) attracting any more real money than it usually would? Difference in prices or being impacted by Promo bets? I'm trying to understand how it is even supposed to increase turnover that unrelated to the promos going on the race.

Can you give an example of what you mean by the above, do you mean they need to encourage punters to bet more than they would normally? The reason I ask , is because the promo $ is just that promo isn't it, doesn't it need to factor in encouraging real punting on the event?

Its amazing , there was plenty of warning from ex Post personnel prior to his start at NZRB, surely been the same here, but he still gets a job(high paying). The website is beyond a flop and he hung his hat on it and then left.It goes to show the kind of world we live in when this can just continue to happen.

No s**t! If they are kept ticking over you can do all sorts of things with them, not if they are pulled out of a paddock unworked and heading to the races in 8 weeks. If you've had them ticking over they are still in work, is that that hard to understand?

Haha , denial a tactic for fools. Found out and you know it, you better let the Brits know those flat races during winter aren't really flat races. Still waiting patiently for your training plan, you can PM me it I won't show it to anyone but the cat.

Lets not give you another hiding over the flat races saga. I give you enough credit being on a racing forum to understand what a flat race is. I've reposted what you said but youre attempting to squirm out of it, not bothered doing it again. Just send me that 8 week training plan, with none of your light work etc excuses.

Stop squirming out of it, you claimed a horse can have an 8 week prep and go into a 2000m+ race , like all the knowitalls in racing you don't bother with all facets of your statement. Once again please send me your training plan or whatever you want to call it.

Haha you got caught out! A flat race is a flat race NH horses in it or G1 horses over the flat. Thanks for letting me know about the weight I thought that was you, explains a lot. You are still welcome to message me your 8 week training regime I'm very interested.

For someone who claims to be clever you really do struggle, let me try to help so you can keep squirming . Youre implying that a horse can be pulled from the paddock and prepared to go to the races in 8 weeks, wait a minute that includes some time at the pre trainers now I guess? Where did I say you were a trainer?

Get squirming with lightwork or using the walker or pre-trainer, think of something else c'mon Mardigras. Tell me again about no flat races in the UK in winter again, how did that go? BTW are you the one who claimed on here a while ago weight didn't matter when assessing horses for the punt? Just for my interest.

A horse can be ready in 8 weeks time fresh up over 2000m. Ask Freda if she prepares hers like that? None of this light work garbage youre trying to use to squirm your way out .8 weeks from the paddock to the races thats what youre saying and claiming.

Maybe so but I don't know any trainers that get their horses ready for a 2000m+ race in 8 weeks. do you? Mardigras can.

Now youre talking about keeping it in light work, haha you really do talk utter garbage. So your 8 week plan consists of keeping the horse in light work as well? So the horse is in work longer than 8 weeks?

Yep I realise that, but Mardigras can get you a Barrier Cert and your first starter ready for 2000m+ with his 8 week training regime, if he lets me share the secrets of it I'll post some online as an exclusive for BOAY posters.

You haven't stated any facts, because you can't because you don't know what your talking about. Private message me the 8 week training plan, I need a good laugh!