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Wow...the limp wristed PC don't use "animals as entertainment" narrative appears to have hit the Air NZ Boardroom... Read and weep.... Perhaps their "clarity" needs a few drops of wake the f up when the 'racing industry' starts flying anything other than Air PC....and letting them know afterwards... Kia Ora mag says AirNZ is "working through their position on wildlife tourism and tourism activities that involve animals and they are not comfortable promoting horse racing or accepting revenue from the industry until they have clarity on their position"
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Latest version of the Racing Industry Bill - LAND GRAB!
Thomass replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Good to have you back after a self imposed 'lunatic alert' koppa...but don't look now...he's back! See below.... Anyways Centralised strategy is for the greater good...overseas PUNTERS wanting to PUNT on quality tracks with consistent form... ...not sand being kicked in your punting moosh or sticky winter bogs... De Lore interviewed a Wagering Expert in one of his blogs...read it and you'll agree... We desperately need PUNTERS punting on NZ Thoroughbred product...and overseas punters are where it's at...not being supplemented by sports betting and UFC cages... You and me..how about it? -
So Mick finally does some 'investigative journalism' on Weigh Inn over the HQ 2yo race... ...and comes to the conclusion... "someone's lying"....with a strong bent it's the RIU... Who called the inquiry in the first place...Why has the JCA report got an incorrect version of what happened according to most...but not the RIU? Then Brain De Lore writes up on his blog about..."why didn't Oatham call a key witness in the runner up's Jockey...even though Ellis forebade her from talking" The whole episode casts the Thoroughbred Industry in a very unprofessional light... ...no wonder many at NZTR want the INTEGRITY function returned to Thoroughbreds...not some 'private' company outsourcing lark... Cant wait for Godbar to sort the farcical situation on the wireless with Earley tomorrow...yea
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So we hear SOME race happened on Saturday last.... Where the Owner insisted their Jockey not attend a Stipendairy Inquiry?? Whoever heard of such nonsense... Or has the law of the land changed and the ... OWNER IS KING?
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THE MITIGATOR...MASSIVE Punting Integrity meltdown
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
Great...love 'mateship' But that I'm afraid doesn't involve asking other 'on pace' Jockeys how they're going to ride a race, the Owner then knowing this vital bit of information... ...where he told us after the race.. they knew they'd not be contesting the lead... ...which he admitted was the Horse's downfall previously... That info is DEADSET GOLD... ...and PUNTERS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT... Just like they do in Australia...it's a RULE....ok? -
LOCKERROOM Evergreen jockey still on a winning streak As summer racing gets into full swing, seasoned Kiwi jockey Lisa Allpress remains at the top of her game, but admits it won't be long till she spends her Saturdays at a different sport Lisa Allpress is one of the best jockeys around. Not one of the best female jockeys, but one of the best jockeys, full stop. The 44-year old prefers the latter description and is confident the racing industry in New Zealand has progressed to the point where the distinction is no longer necessary. This wasn’t always the case. Historically, there was resistance, but fortunately racing is one of the few sporting codes shining the light on women, for other codes to aspire to. Allpress’s record speaks for itself. It’s a record that will cement her legacy in racing circles, long after her retirement. She has won three jockey premierships, celebrated over 1500 wins in New Zealand, and raced in nine countries over her 24-year career. She’s currently third on the New Zealand premiership ladder, with 30 wins so far this season - behind another great Kiwi female jockey, Sam Collett, and Japanese apprentice Kozzi Asano. The first woman to ride 1000 winners on New Zealand soil, Allpress notched up her 1500th win at Otaki in July. She won her third premiership this winter, a stunning comeback from a jump-out fall in 2017 which left her with shoulder injuries that threatened to end her career. It raises the question: how does an athlete stay on top of their game for over two decades? Allpress credits her longevity and successes to the strong support system she has around her - starting with her parents, Neil Mumby and Trish Beattie, and then going onto her husband, Karl, and her mentor, master trainer Kevin Gray. The favourite period of Lisa Allpress' career was riding in Singapore, because she could take her family with her. Photo: Getty Images. “Growing up Mum and Dad were really supportive. The both helped out at pony club and used to drive me around every weekends to shows, and if I needed help with anything Dad would jump in,” says Allpress. She competed all over the country with her ponies, and lists her childhood heroes as Kiwi show jumping legends Sir Mark Todd, Harvey Wilson and Catriona Williams. “Originally my parents didn’t want me to be a jockey,” she reveals. “My dad was a jockey and there weren’t any females when he was riding. But I’ve always had a love for horses since riding ponies as a child and they could see that, so they backed me and my passion.” Allpress met husband Karl, a horse trainer, a year after she finished her apprenticeship. “He’s heavily involved in the racing industry too, so he knows the lifestyle required to compete at an elite level,” she says. If he needs to tend to their 215ha beef farm near Whanganui, and misses Allpress’s races, he’ll listen on the radio and offer advice on her performances when she returns home. Everyone supporting and contributing to Allpress’s career understands the level of constant dedication and discipline needed to remain on top. Allpress says a solid foundation was set by her family, and the building blocks and polish were added when her parents sent her to the Grays in Patea for her apprenticeship when she was 20. “I was very lucky to be mentored by Mr Gray – I still call him that to this day too. I think he’s had five of us go on to win over 1000 races which has to be a record,” she says. What the Grays have in spades is a genuine interest in a rider’s growth and wellbeing. “They definitely helped mould me into a good rider with a good work ethic and taught us skills like being able to communicate with trainers and owners effectively,” Allpress says. “It’s not until I left after the four-year apprenticeship that I fully appreciated and realised the amount of work Mr and Mrs Gray did for all of us. They took care of everything so we could concentrate on being the best version of ourselves.” On reflection all the little things add up. The analysis sessions with Kevin Gray after every race day; the meals his wife, Kathleen, cooked (even though there was a chef) and the clear boundaries set around what was acceptable behaviour. She’s taken those skills and meticulously applied them to her craft in both New Zealand and overseas. Allpress says the favourite part of her riding career was racing in Singapore, because Karl and their two boys, Josh and Angus, travelled with her. “Singapore is an amazing place to ride. You either have to win the premiership or be ranked in the top three in your country to get an opportunity to ride there. So it was a special time for our family,” says Allpress, who was the only female rider in Singapore when she went there in 2013. What was meant to be a three-month contract, turned into a one-and-a-half year experience, as Allpress impressed with her quality riding and received two contract extensions. Winning Group 1 races is obviously another highlight as that’s what all riders strive for. But finding and developing young horses into winners is just as rewarding for Allpress. “A couple of years ago [2015] I won the New Zealand Cup on a horse called Jimmy Mac. I spotted Jimmy at the trials one day and knew there was something special, so I approached the trainer and everything started from there,” she says. That feeling comes with experience. She’s just taken on the pre-training of Ladies First, who won the Auckland Cup in 2018 and was headed for the Melbourne Cup, but was injured. “It’s just another thing to fill in my days,” she laughs. Lisa Allpress signing autographs at this year's World All-Stars Jockey Series in Japan. Photo: Getty Images. Drawing closer to the end of her career, Allpress’ advice to the next generation of riders is to appreciate the good days, as they are few and far between, and get used to combating disappointment. “It definitely takes time to understand that and, to be honest, I feel like I’m still learning how to deal with it. It doesn’t get any easier trying to keep positive for yourself, the trainers and owners when things don’t go your way,” she says. “You need to be prepared to put in the work. You have to be willing to put in the hard yards because you only get what you put in – on the track and in life.” Away from the track, her highlight has been raising a family. She loves spending time with her boys and watching them develop; Josh is now 15 and Angus, 12. It’s something she’s looking forward to doing more of in the near future. “I know I’m definitely in the twilight of my career. Eventually my Saturdays will consist of attending the boys’ sport games instead of my own races, and getting involved in their activities more, which I’m excited about.” Although racing has provided Allpress with a job she loves, her boys have chosen to play other sports socially, like rugby and cricket. “It kind of makes me crazy because they can both ride and look lovely on a horse,” she says. “But they don’t have the passion that I have and I know you have to have, if you want to have a career in racing. “And that’s ok because they have their own paths and journeys to explore, and I’ll be there to support whatever they choose. That’s the most important part and I know that because that’s what my parents did for me.” Whatever Allpress chooses to do next, the motivated mum will approach it in the same way she has her racing career - with discipline, preparation and purpose.
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Mate you better wake up and snort some Roses or similar... You don't even realise the JCA Report is GOSPEL in this! Paul Richards initiated the protest...paste that in straight off... Davo sniffed in and pulled out and ONLY then did the Stipes take over... And stop this fantasy right now that you "contacted someone" I personally know the Right Honorable Henry Plumtree...and he was THERE!
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So Te Akau tells their Jockey not to give evidence to a Stewards inquiry.... No evidence then...In other words...'perverting the course of Justice' Informing 'their' Jockey not to contribute to an INTEGRITY process that the Racing Industry relies on for... INTEGRITY.... Cut and dried.... Te Akau DONT behave or contribute to INDUSTRY INTEGRITY Mr Ellis advised the Committee that he and Ms Collett, the rider of BORDEAUX LE ROUGE, had nothing to say in relation to the alleged incident.
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THE MITIGATOR...MASSIVE Punting Integrity meltdown
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
You have to wonder now what these Jocks are talking about pre race... ...and there's a HELL of a lot of 'talk' going on... Is it..."ok, you take the lead...I'll get a drag...So now I'm just going to signal to my mates in the stand...to GET ON" -
So you've gone very silent on this kenny.. Have you looked at the FACTS and decided it's not worth losing your hair over it Let alone your licence?
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No probs at all...at least it shows were not the same person! The thing is....it's got nothing to do with DJ stopping riding.....it's the runner ups perogative to run without interference... ...and if the other horse is running around losing ground the rules state that's to be ignored... One length behind at the 100M...head at the finish...after being taken off course and badly for 30M...I said 20M...got that wrong! If DJ keeps going it ends up in the stand... ..but the Te AKAU horse stopped it going any further...and distinguished its chances and rightful straight line it was running...
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No prob Brother...even Brothers get it wrong at times...just don't make a habit of it...ok? Just look at the noses then..if you don't like hiding the shadows...oh and Da Report... Again...it's NOTHING to do with the runner up...that the winner has done everything wrong... Its made up the length behind...going to run past the drunken sailor....then is stopped in its tracks... Readnweep brother...almost verbatim to what evidence I gave this morning....BEFORE the report came out... The Committee carefully considered all of the submissions and reviewed the video footage. It was clear that TARONI raced greenly in the final straight and in particular was wayward inside the final 100 metres. We established that at the 100 metre mark TARONI was 1 length in advance of BORDEAUX LE ROUGE. Shortly after that point TARONI had her ears pricked, head turned to the side and commenced to shift outwards when BORDEAUX LE ROUGE was racing on its outside. The head on footage showed that each time BORDEAUX LE ROUGE tried to challenge TARONI that runner continued to shift outwards. At no stage was TARONI at least its own length and one other clear length in front of BORDEAUX LE ROUGE when it continued to shift outwards. This is a clear breach of the interference Rule. Mr Noble was of the opinion that the contact between TARONI and BORDEAUX LE ROUGE occurred right on the finish line. Whereas we found that TARONI made firm contact with BORDEAUX LE ROUGE near the 30 metres. In our assessment as to whether BORDEAUX LE ROUGE would have beaten TARONI, but for the interference, we observed that a direct result of the contact near the 30 metres was that BORDEAUX LE ROUGE was forced wider on the track, off its running line which impacted its momentum. We estimated that TARONI shifted out at least 5 horse widths inside the final 100 metres. As a consequence BORDEAUX LE ROUGE was denied an unimpeded run to the finish line. This made it more difficult for BORDEAUX LE ROUGE to get balanced up and past TARONI. In our opinion the totality of TARONI’s wayward racing manners inside the final 100 metres cost BORDEAUX LE ROUGE more than the head margin between the 2 horses at the finish. It was evident that BORDEAUX LE ROUGE reduced the margin from 1 length at the 100 metres to a head at the finish despite suffering interference from TARONI. In conclusion having considered the degree of interference, the manner in which both horses finished the race off and in particular the head margin at the finish the Committee was of the opinion that BORDEAUX LE ROUGE would have finished ahead of TARONI had such interference not occurred.
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THE MITIGATOR...MASSIVE Punting Integrity meltdown
Thomass replied to Thomass's topic in Galloping Chat
Too true...but some could be! Lets harbour the POINT though...in case anyone misses it... Its about certain 'punters' knowing this information...."other Jockeys told us they won't contest the lead...so just get on" That kind of thing...then their mates...and their mates mates In Australia they get to hear this info as a matter of course... HK Punters would have rioted by now... -
THE MITIGATOR...MASSIVE Punting Integrity meltdown
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Well big ups to Pete for being naively honest! It basically gets him off the hook for using the info to punt the bejesus out of it.... Its quaint 'Integrity' NZ Inc. The Feds will look, listen...but their ears are painted on and they won't want to create a schtir... -
FFS back... Absolutely NOTHING intended or inferenced.. anything else is a figment of your vivid imagination!
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Terrible news from Waikato Stud....any young horse starting its breeding career and dying is gut wrenching for all involved... Interesting Guerin said as a result of a very rare Liver Disease... Raced from the Waller stable...
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So Trainer McKay lobs up after the race for the post race interview... "we knew he'd get an uncontested lead...the other Jockeys told Shaun they'd leave him alone" WTF? So this is MASSIVE quality dead set GOLD information! It's the very same reason why the Feds are investigating the Harness rort...other drivers knowing there's an uncontested lead and betting into the information... ABSOLUTELY no suggestion anyone did this in this instance...but the problem is IT COULD be.... It raises a very serious INTEGRITY issue then... Should Jockeys be talking tactics with one another before any race...particularly way before the race as in this instance... Where any amount of people could have received this information over and above average Joe Punter If this interview had have happened in HK they'd be hell to pay...
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Btw...STOP being a screaming SHREW..ok?
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Good work...brother Did you enter the mascot race and take a pen reading BEFORE the race to ascertain if the Equine one had pissed on the rail on the way down?? Especially if it'd been lasixed before the dash...would have been an H 11 for sure...
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Let's deal in FACTS as they relate to the ACTUAL rule shall we? The key here, as in any reference point when dealing with interference, is to observe the horse's SHADOWS.... Clearly the interfered with horse has made ground through the last 150/200...@ a length to the head margin at the finish... The POINT you screamers are missing... ..that it has absolutely nothing to do with the winner running sideways and THAT horse losing ground or momentum as a result... ...the inquiry is focused ENTIRELY on the chances of the interfered horse.. and THAT horse losing the chance to maintain it's unimpeded line... The Feds simply do not look at a race and ask themselves "if they both run straight, who wins" Clearly then...they got this RIGHT.... And Of course you know already...contact does NOT need to be made... So not only was there outward movement taking the runner up off their rightful line...but the severe contact 20M out.... Would have won by a head imo....and no one needs to be humble coming to that conclusion...
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Melody Belle Trackwork at Flemington 29 October 2019
Thomass replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
As you well know it was very minor statement I'd made...along with Blinkers helping some horses.. ...that 3yo's agin older horses are more competitive...essentially as the season progresses... ...being a molehill into a mountain purveyor you grabbed this with your massively tight grip and delt to this minor statement with the sword of Damocles.... Keep gripping... -
Melody Belle Trackwork at Flemington 29 October 2019
Thomass replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
I think any 'horseman' or Industry participant would take it as read that I didn't mean 'ALL'.... Thatd be like saying ALL 2yo's have their peak performance at 2...and that'd be barmy army... ...actually my bad....make that February...that's when the next 3 month reduced 3yo allowance agin older neddys kicks in... The Handicapping Philosphy here must agree 3yo's en masse...get stronger as the season progresses... ...but that's the system...and Obviuosly not ALL will... ...back to your hole troll -
Fair enough...only asked to get a gauge how widespread it is here...especially after Wallers fine for getting caught Its part of this 'Social License' they're talking about though isn't it? If HK doesn't need it, even with their confined possibly more dusty confinement... ...we shouldn't...also skewing training reports
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Melody Belle Trackwork at Flemington 29 October 2019
Thomass replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
I'm terribly sorry you don't get 'Irony'... Perhaps they could individually dish out 3yo allowances coinciding with their birth dates... ...but that would be ridiculous Just like saying 3yo's won't get stronger and more competitive agin older horses... ...as the season progresses -
Melody Belle Trackwork at Flemington 29 October 2019
Thomass replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
It was obviously a typo you dickhead... This all started where your mate said I had a mental illness and should suicide... Hes a fucking Nazi and you're a piece of sheet...oops typo again