the galah

That is a relevant point. Whether she couldn't or wasn't restraining is unclear.But compare it to the horses that ran 3rd and 4th and were beside it when it started galloping,it lost no ground for 90% of its gallop.

No,but what relevance does that have to my point even if i had. There wasn't even an inquiry. Thats the thing i can't get over. How can they confirm it straight away. You can guarantee they will put something like it galloped 149.999999 metres in the stipe report now i have raised it on here, but the video doesn't lie.

Eillish hall clearly gallops for over 150m shortly after the start. You only have to look at the track markings to see that.The rule is you can only gallop for 150m. Whats going on. This wasn't even close. Its there for anyone to watch. Its not like it was trotting rough. It was in a full blown gallop. What competent stipe could not see that. That decision would have to be as incompetent as i have ever seen. Its so obvious,yet they missed it.

The topic is about blue september which is specific to male drivers. no blue horses.

Your view of the cameron drive is fair enough,like some i just don't agree.As i have said earlier,hes a driver i've always had confidence in,still do. I think hes always out there to win.No ones said hes not. You do highlight how lucky we are to at this point in time to have such a high level of integrity within the sport. It hasn't come without some feathers being ruffled, but from licence holders to those who oversee enforcement, things are pretty good. Lets hope they can be maintained.

Banks peninsula have just announced an all male race at their up coming meeting,with the intention of highlighting this cause. They will have 6 of the 10 driver ambassadors competing,but have shown good sense to have only the 1 in the blue colours,and another in the white prostate colours. The rest will wear the trainers colours. This is a good promotion,and well thought out by those who have arranged it.

I did watch B barnes on sabrage. I also followed his price on the tab ff and betfair. He was a noticeable drifter at different stages. I guess the tab had not received the support his form said it should get,and on betfair some were happy to lay him at 6 and 7 to 1. So that tells me punters either didn't do the form,or they were not surprised when the horse give up a nice position on the outside,and instead went 3 back the fence,with the leader having worked overtime for the front. He's very average tactically,so who knows what he was thinking. Idon't think we can sure with him.He drives his share of winners. I just happened to have one bet at menagle while i waited to watch an albion park race. The hot favorite,a j grimson trained horse driven by c hart handed up the lead to a j trainor(grimsons regular driver) 2nd favorite. Well the parked horse was doing a nice job and keeping the hot favorite boxed in,that was until trainor turned the leaders head outwards and steered he horse out noticeably. And through came the favorite to win. How does anyone bet on racing at menagle and not notice what they get up to. The above is one of the main reasons harness racing is in decline over there. Self sabotage.

So lets just recap for you,chief exaggerator. So j teaz explained that the number of drives a driver has is one of the key considerations when penalty is decided. He explained ,because Cameron has few drives,the penalty may be as much as 3 months. I pushed the like thing on that post because it explained the reasoning behind penalty lengths. I had earlier suggested he should get 2 months,but also said D ferguson got 3 days for a similar drive. So that to you became j teaz and the galah demanding 3 to 6 months,and you posted that's what we said. What a plonker. And who's schumacher and weaver? Have you been reading the stipes reports from germany or england to find something to bolster your failing argument.

Maybe you explain your comment first,because you seem to be on both sides of the argument.Seems to be the start of another merry go round.

Your at it again chief. Making out i said something when i haven't.Where have i said that an unresloved issue related to harness racing. And can't you make your mind up. When you say 'asides from being no ones business whatever those issues were,they were unrelated to harness racing".If you believe it was just to take a break,why post that.Maybe you should criticise yourself,that way you have both sides covered.

I agree with brodie. Cullen taking over was always a situation that many believe there was more to than just taking a break. So many contradictions and there still is much left unexplained. The resumption of the original training partnership has played out pretty much as predicted now they have obviously resolved all the reasons for the original decision. Cullen seems happy to have been the public face when they wanted,and now seems happy to have played his role and return to his previous position.No doubt they will look after him for being so loyal. But i'm with brodie.

I had been there a couple of times about 1980,lines of 15-20 people at all the betting windows 10 minutes before race start,many being shut out of getting a bet on. Huge crowds in stands located up the straight before the winning post. I went there 20 years ago.Three people in the remaining stand before the finish.I then went and stood near the winning post and that was a poor viewing spot as seemed to be lower than track. Thats my memory. Then went and watched the next few in grandstand near finish,but noted very few of those in attendance had any interest in watching the races when they were running,either socialising or eating depending where they were. What i did note was the next day called in again to see why there were well over a thousand cars parked there.I was greeted by a man at the entrance who advised it cost $5 for parking as there was some big event on nearby. At the time i thought this clubs onto it and you had to think harness racing would survive at alexandra park because of its many income streams. So my point is they have been trying and failing for decades to attract people on course for the racing,so no matter what the gimmicks,nothing much will change. And now due to awful business decisions their income streams have been reduced and they are also selling many of their remaining assets which of course further reduces income. My suggestion is they face reality,cash up and relocate while they still are so asset rich.They are responsible for the survival of harness racing in the north island,they can't undo whats happened,but they can try and turn the negatives into a new positive if planned properly.Part of that planning should be to locate into an area which will attract the public,the focus of this topic.

A bit like Israel's flag. Sure to be in the money.

Well you know it is i that has said brendon barnes is not a favorite of mine,I still have that view,but thats just my opinion.Each to their own.Of course i have referred mainly to his father and brother. While there have been many race videos that have seen me form my opinions, I have previously specifically given 4 race videos that i suggest should be watched. If you haven't watched them,then you won't understand why i said what i have. I was reading a couple of articles about the brothers recently. One said their grandfather played tennis for australia. Another that seems to be 12 months ago says they were going to give up harness racing and work in the mines for a while.While that may not have eventuated it quoted hayden barnes as saying they had nearly left harness racing a few times,and that the industry brings with it a lot of pressure and it was easy to get run down from the constant grind. Drivers over there do seem to have a full on lifestyle with racing 6 days a week, so you can see why some may feel in need of a break

Neither i nor j teaz have ever said Cameron was trying to lose . My only comment on his intent was that i assume he was trying.Chief might have suggested i said that,but he often says i have said things i never have. What relevance does this weeks drive have.For example if he carless drives and causes inteference one week but not the next does that mean he shouldn't be penalised. Theres no logic to that approach.

i would say Krug and saginaw are not similar.. Orange tried for 200m to steer krug outwards,but the horse refused to come out.It hung badly. If your suggesting drivers get the benefit of the doubt and be judged on intent then that wouldn't work would it.

Thats one thing i liked about J teaz as a commentator.He was never afraid to give his opinion as he saw it. No doubt some didn't like that,but whats wrong with honesty.Why has it gone out of fashion.He's a very good commentator as well. You watch trackside now days and so may times you hear presenters say this horse,or that horse was unlucky,even when its nothing to do with luck,but due to the driver making an obvious tactical error.No one wants to get on the wrong side of anyone by expressing an honest held opinion. What does that tell you?

Well gammalite that is what i said,although later speculated on this thread 3 days was more in line with similar penalties. To say i was looking for a rolling head is an inaccurate interpretation of what i have said. Do you think others who have made similar comments about the drive were looking for a rolling head? Why does anyone post anything on here if people think its because your looking to attack a person. I was once the subject of comment on some social media on a particular drive i had done. Not action from officialdom, but just people expressing a point of view.Did the comment bother me. Absolutely not.I viewed the drive as a positive drive.Others thought it too aggressive tactically.Did i get upset or take what others said personally. Absolutely not.But thats me. I understand every one is different and handle things differently. i do think the responses on this topic comment illustrate that topics are becoming more a battle of the personalities making the comment ,than the topic itself. Who can be bothered with that.

Thats part of my post you edited to the first 8 words. We can both play that game,but that just says maybe we should do some gardening or go for a walk,as perhaps we sometimes have too much time on our hands.

Pardon? Or should i (like you just have), pick out part of what you post to fit the narrative i want to potray?

Same old same old. I asked the question whether someone who is happy to put mind/performance enhancing drugs like ecstasy into their bodies, going to be against using drugs on horses. No one has ever argued the point i raised,just people like you say my point is all about the personalities. What a load of rubbish you write. And i never said 3 months did i. i said 2 months. You are a master of exaggeration.

Well in some races yesterday they had 4 drivers with the same colours. Theres 7 leading drivers in the south island wearing the same colours and whats to say they all won't drive in the same race.

So you accept you make it about personalities. Is that not an admission that your argument is not strong?And you go beyond that and also make it about the personalities making the comments. There may be grey areas as far as the enforcement of some rules go,but that excuse should only be argued in cases of inconsistent application of the rules.This case does not involve that. You seem to have missed the point of the topic.Cameron is the current focus because of how he drove,not because of who he is.

Well done for supporting prostate cancer,but to have so many drivers in the same race in the same colours is dumb and confusing. Some even have the same colour hats.I don't need a commentator to recognise the colours,drivers and horses,but i am finding i have to constantly stop,pause,rewind and replay the videos of races i am reviewing. When the races are run in real time,and you take multiple combinations and therefore don't always focus on a particular horse, it becomes a real headache. Also at the start of say a 16 horse stand you can't be sure which one your watching until they settle into their positions. Imagine if your a casual racegoer ,you would be even more confused.

"If i get my way". Whatever. You do talk a load of rubbish a lot. What i have to do with making,breaking or enforcing the rules is unknown to me. This is a typical chief stipe reply. When you have no merit in what you say,you make it about personalities.You do it a lot.