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It was only a small nose in it,and it appeared he had made up his mind Pay me visa was going to win just prior to the finish. Thats how it had actually looked,so understandable to some extent. I don't think it realistic to expect perfection from anyone every time. He is very good overall.

Reality is those within the media who decide what stories the general public get to read and view,have this agenda to push any story that highlights the animal welfare issues within the industry.Its not going to stop. The media believes in the message they promote, they believe there is an element of cruelty that exists within the greyhound industry and they believe they have the moral high ground. And the reason the industry struggles to rebutt such thinking is because there is a degree of truth in the medias message.Until that changes the medias drums will grow louder. I like the greyhounds,but i can't understand how they have got to the point where certain breeders mass produce such high numbers,and what happens around the fate of the large numbers you never see or hear of. I can't understand how the live baiting issue came to nothing and went on for so long beforehand. So if people who don't want to see the industry fold can see the industry has problems ,then its easy to understand how those on the outside might push for its demise in this p.c. world we live in..

I agree with all 3 of your points chief in your most recent post. The kerr case has highlighted current areas in which a very deceptive person can gain unlawful financial advantage from his victims without their knowledge. But my point is how restrictive and compliant do you make things to protect against people who act like kerr and at what cost ,and i don't believe that would stop people like kerr acting deceptively anyway. You have a thing against the RIU,and have refered to them as keystone cops in this thread. You refer to poor systems at the tab and hrnz, but put little focus on kerrs actions to deceive,his victims being sucked in and their failure to pick up the deceptions earlier,and kerrs family and friends who despite having good intentions,whose trust was misguided. So i get what your saying,i just think the picture you paint focuses on only a small part of the overall picture.

All this looking to blame someone else. Its a bit tiresome. I once came across a bloke going crook at a taxi driver,blaming him for enabling his daughter to drink because that is how she got to the local liquor outlet. It was his fault,the liquor outlets fault and her friends fault. They all enabled her according to the father who was at his wits end. The point i make is people can be very deceptive and manipulating,and to expect them to turn off that behavior when it comes to satisfying their addictions is not how addicts work. One thing i have learnt from people who manipulate,is with experience they get better at their manipulation,and the better ones know how to suck people in. Also many of those around them believe what they want to be true,irrespective of truth or not being spoken by the manipulator. I would go as far to say, those who do that should look at themselves in the mirror,instead of continuing to blame the wrong party.Thats humans for you.

There is not enough detail in what you say to get a full picture of whether any fault lies with the NZ TAB. The NZ TAB already has a "Harm prevention and minimisation policy". If you read it, it shows the TAB can refuse to take bets from problem gamblers,problem gamblers can self exclude themselves for periods of 2 years,People can set their betting limits,Friends,family can contact the tab about problem gamblers,etc. You say had the nz tab approached Kerr it would have got a mention in the jca report.Well what about the opposite,had kerr approached the nz tab? Appears no mention of that in the jca report. My point is you are right to say lessons can be learnt, but to deflect blame onto the TAB,when Kerr himself provided no evidence of it to the JCA,seems unreasonable. Why the nz tab anyway,what about the australian agencies.

I thought it went ok,but it is by Auckland reactor. Many of the Auckland Reactors look promising in their first few starts,but then become inconsistent and poorly mannered. Many seem to get worse with racing, manners wise. Personally i wouldn't buy or breed one myself as they look as if they would be frustrating. Having said that sky vale looks one of the handy ones. Its always interesting to see how certain sires progeny have similar traits. Its like Peaks,you can guarantee they will break 90% of the time.

I really think you have no idea about how to analyse form,and compare previous performances of horses and the class of horse they ran against. Thats what i believe.Your arguing with someone who makes a living analysing form. I know what i'm talking about. You think someone who is cleary very,very dishonest is somehow squeaky clean when it comes to training horses. What world do you live in? Thats the last post i make on this topic.

I'm getting a headache.Banging my head against the wall is not doing me any good. But i will comment on your post one last time. A better act had 4 wins and a second in its first 5 starts for kerr. So it did not have a drop off in form when it went to kerr.

You obviously don't. Go watch its videos before they sold it and said it got sick.. Cutting their losses. Like i said earlier,not talking form anymore,as your not up with the play.

think it was paying about $20.. Ran 2nd to cruz bromac in start before cup, with star galleria and ultimate machete 3rd and 4th. The start before that it had run 2nd to dream about me,with alta orlando 3rd. Both were group races. So they would have paid good money for it,but apart from 1 $20,000 race,it won 5 other $6000 to $7000 races in aussie.Lost a leg somewhere. Not as bad as smokin by of course.It lost 2 legs.

Like the picture. But don't take up punting for a living ,because you won't last long if you miss obvious form changes.

forgotten highway started 7th favorite at about its 20th start in the 2018 nz cup. It only had a couple of more runs in nz after that then was sold. Its australian record is not impressive for a horse the australians would have paid big money for. Chief,no point debating form with you. If you can't see it,then keep backing the former kerr trained horses,then get back to me how you go.

Well in the last week or so,A bettor act,Manhattan and A delightful act.All have been flops and appear to have lost a leg somewhere since changing stables. They have gone to N williamson,R butt and R dunn as trainers. yeah right.

Just read the post from nz racing. He makes some valid points,but why just focus on the tab. He points out people were aware of his problems,so why not blame them more than the tab. He's supposedly been bailed out before,so why not blame those who bailed him out without having future systems in place. Can he name one person who approached the Nz tab with their concerns about having him banned from betting. If he can,then why didn't they approach the aussie agencies? It could go on and on. Maybe this looking to blame everyone else is the reason Kerr was able to keep doing what he did for so long. Who knows,all rather sad.

One thing that has been noticeable about nearly every horse that has gone from the Kerr stable to another trainer is how poorly they run for the new trainers.They all lose a leg.I have pointed out previously that you would have to be cautious if you were buying one.

Well i'm no expert,but why haven't they looked into introducing some straight track racing. Just refreshed my memory by reading a report into straight track racing in australia.. Amongst other things,it concluded that 80% of all catastrpohic and major injuries was caused by congestion,with most obviously occurring on bends. At many of the tracks studied it showed about half the number of injuries occurred on straight tracks as compared to oval. Murray bridge actually had 5 times the amount on their oval track compared to their straight track for the period studied. They could reduce field size numbers from 8 to 7 on oval tracks. Redesign track shape to make the bends easier to get around. Theres many rabbits the greyhound industry can pull out of the hat if they really needed to,and they just have to spin it properly to get the government to help fund it,and to get all the public thinking positively. It shouldn't be that hard.

Rather pessimistic outlook you have for the greyhounds there chief. I think the reality is much more positive. You do have to wonder why the industry leadership is so slow to put in places the required changes that ultimately protects its participants. Is it because they actually are uncomfortable with many current practices,and theirs not the push from those on the coal face for change.What else could it be? If thats the case then maybe the chief is right. But surely those within the industry will wake up before its too late. Personally i only bet on the auckland dogs,as they at least seem to have fields with more than a couple of trainers.Personally i don't think its a good look when a couple of trainers breed so many and often supply 75% of the runners. How is that right?

Why the lack of progress? Is the industry just playing into their detractors hands with their lack of progress and transparency.

Imagine the headlines had the nz tab accepted his bets knowing how much he was losing. They don't want punters like kerr. I wonder if he had bet on the nz tab,would they have brought the extent of his loses to harness authorities to investigate. You would hope so given he lost $1 million in 2 years.

Not saying it won't work,but don't some of the bigger syndicates have hundreds of owners,and aren't the members in many syndicates often coming and going. The record keeping around what you are suggesting would be rather time consuming,and wouldn't it be a case of user pays,making it all the more complicated and costly. What about people like kerr saying they are training a horse when he wasn't.How are you going to solve that.If you were kerr,and you knew you couldn't deceive and rip off people in one way,you would just take another route for your deception. I credit you for coming up with reasonable suggestions,but its not an easy fix.

So you completely failed to address what i have said. I was commenting on one specific moment of one drive,but its obvious you think Mr williamson is great. Never heard of the harness owners federation,don't do facebook,but sounds like they could learn that everyone has a point of view,and everyone is entitled to express it where ever they want.And they need to learn they should not to take offence.

Same old,same old. I posted "like" in response to one of your and long owners replies which offered positive suggestions as to how syndicate oversight should be improved. I have not posted any thoughts on that side of things,as i know little of how syndicates work or are adimistrated. So i'm an ex cop. Thats funny. When it comes to INCA, your focus is always on the negative,and you completely ignore the positives to come from it. If you were to argue that the positives had been outweighed by the negatives,then i could understand where you came from. But no,thats not your agenda. So its mr woodhams fault that the average trainer "can barely scrape a living from the game". Its Mr woodham that you find fault with when you read these articles on wrongdoing by former trainers. Same old,same old.

Well you need to watch the video .The video i watched show he caused his own horse to trot rough and slow up by steering it in slightly. No doubt his intention was not for that to happen,but it did. The horse was not travelling well,but certainly was not going to slow up like it did prior to his move.Their was never any safety issue. And here we are with many blaming the horse, when the drive was a factor in its performance.

People should not be discouraged when wrong doing is uncovered ,they should be discouraged when it is not.Like i have said,unfortunately the harness industry is not spinning the news cycle in a positive way for itself. Personally I view most of the recent news in a positive way,although the jimmy cannon being put down after it was illegally pre race treated, is a negative story only. But newmarket hit the nail on the head when he says many owners are loyal to those who do illegal things to gain an advantage. The reason for that loyalty is mostly for personal gain.Many owners are hypocrites when it comes to some of the illegal activity.They want the rules enforced,but just not against their trainers. Many owners even expect and pressure their trainers to do so. Remember the blue magic saga. The best answer is effective and consistent enforcement of the rules.