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Just discovered this thread. What a load of rubbish in some posts and a long established therapeutic treatment, especially for joints and tendons. I think it is also used for acute injuries and early treatment of osteoarthritis because it slows the development of arthritis in joints for example. As you point out in another post CS, one treated blood collection can provide about 50 treatments, so it's not horrendously expensive either. Even if a horse is being treated with other NSAIDs for arthritis, having ACS available means that treatment can replace those right up to raceday and after the required withdrawal time for those other anti-inflammatories. That's why it would be used during racing. For the idiots who can't read, it is about as far from blood doping as taking an aspirin for a headache. There are no RBCs re-injected and the injections are into the affected joint or tendon (or other tissue), not the blood. It is true there may be additives, but these are not drugs as someone suggested, and have zero steroidal type effects. Never heard of it being used as a preventative unless you mean preventative in the sense of preventing or slowing the development of osteoarthritis, for example. Load of crap and mountain out of molehill stuff.

Well if they wait until next year I doubt they'll be able to afford to put out a news release.

So .......what was it? Where is it?

I got a letter from Jacinda today (I assume she gets free postage or doesn't use email). She didn't say anything about that though barryb. Thommo wasn't actually mentioned. It seemed to be about how much thought was required if you want to turn on a heater, how many additional police we can expect and whether reduced GP costs are just 'nice to haves' or not.

Wondering if I should wait up till midnight for this?

True, but pretty common up there at all levels. 40 years ago now but I remember Vincent bringing Alleged back to win the Arc in the autumn after going shin sore in the spring. One lead up run over 1 1/4m at Longchamp where he smashed the course record. Mind you there were quite a few "derbys" run on those all weather gallops at Ballydoyle back then. Probably still are.

Led all the way and bolted in.

Like Just Ishi in the next.

Nice work on the Q tip!

Yes, that could explain it. I've been advised that the effect size of cobalt administration is similar to sprinkling them with hundreds and thousands. I just ran my last 7,000 odd top chances and there were 423 beginning with H and T. ROI on them `.961. ROI on the whole group 1.048. So, you might want to think about leaving out the Hs and Ts as well as the Cs. Going well this morning so far though. Three bets starting with C that I normally would have had all lost! You may be on to something here mardi.

I think your X sample is too small to be reliable but I've removed all horses starting with C from my bets this morning.

When you say that, I'm assuming you mean the blinkers on and off samples, not the 70k+ runner All sample?

You have me doing some homework, but unfortunately I only have data for any gear change, not specifically blinkers on or off. I get the point that this may be different for runners priced above expectation because the market has already incorrectly repriced itself. Thinking .... Not willing to play at 1.02 but 1.06 would be gold! Already envious

Looks like there's a definite winning % advantage for blinkers on first time but value taken into account, you'd be better to drop those bets, not invest more on them? I.e., if you removed both blinkers on and off runners from your investments, your ROI would improve?

Try Belmont Race 9 #6 Frosty Linz

I'm sorry to hear that. But on a thread devoted to chucking out some 10/1+ shots, the closest thing Thommo has ever come to that is saying to back the likes of the ones with blinkers on first time, or 4kg claimers on heavy tracks. He never named a single horse pre-race that met those and whatever his other criteria are. He's fine to go on talking to himself on other threads but on this one, it would be nice to see him name a couple before race time. Until he does, I'll keep taking the piss and at least having a bit of fun with the loser.

I think you might be right Newmarket. He certainly bred and raced her. Pretty sure Dave and Jan trained her when she won the 1000 Guineas and later the Stradbroke though. From memory Grant Cooksley and earlier, CWJ had strong associations with her.

No, you should have taken Thommo's advice and gone for the 4kg claim on a H11. Pretty obvious, I would have thought.

Isn't there still a race named after her at Riccarton?

What's even more scary to me is that some others who could be just learning the game also believe it and be quickly led to the poorhouse and probably sports betting, or Lotto where the odds of winning are still better than following Thommo's advice.

So you think that was Kingsman's best performance with the BO?

Nope, I obviously don't think everyone thinks the same. That's my point I think. I like to use whatever information differently from the majority. That's how you find value when the majority interpretation is wrong and causes a price adjustment that makes that horse or other horses better value. I haven't had a bet on NZ racing in 3 or 4 years, not even maidens or amateur events. Track consistency is too unreliable. Haven't been to a NZ race meeting in that time either though I'm planning to go to one next January and may be tempted to have a bet there.

Wait.... so the 5% improvement only applies to a small percentage of the race ... 200m maybe? I'm a big fan of time over distance covered though. Every race I've ever seen was won by the horse that ran the fastest time over the race distance. GPS data would be interesting but if everyone had it, it would probably offer no advantage from a punting perspective, just like everyone knowing a horse has blinkers on doesn't. As to the lotus position, you could try that but if your concurrent contemplations are based on the theories you have so far suggested, I doubt that will turn around your punting performance.

You were more informative when you were coming Diceman than since you have been.