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The opposite may be true. They haven't left in the US where most horses train and race on Lasix. There is some indication that punters prefer it as it reduces an unpredictable variable.

You can't learn can you which is why you obviously still need to pass primary school maths. How many in blinkers ran last? How many didn't win? How many winners had bridles on? How many won with lugging bits? It's meaningless. You don't seem to understand or be able to that this is you once again applying a population statistic to individual chance.

While I accept the above points Freda, I think the onus is usually on the buyer in these situations. It would obviously depend on the specific Ts&Cs of the vendor's agent under which the horse was purchased. The below is from the T&Cs of gavelhouse for example, which would leave the purchaser out in the cold I think in the situation that you describe. Of course, as has been suggested, it may be that a korero can bring about a happier outcome, especially if the Vendor intentionally misrepresented the situation and if they and the agent are interested in acting in good faith and preserving goodwill and reputations. 7.9 Fitness for Purpose You as a Buyer acknowledge, subject only to the limited warranties expressed in these Terms and Conditions: (a) The purchase is made solely in reliance upon Your own: (i) enquiries and inspection; and (ii) skill and judgement. (b) That no guarantee, representation or warranty of any kind is made or given as to the fitness for purpose, soundness, condition or other quality of any Lot sold, either by: (i) the Seller or (ii) by Us and, (iii) all implied conditions, warranties, guarantees, rights or remedies statutory or otherwise, including, but not limited to, any warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are hereby excluded to the maximun extent permitted by law. (c) It is Your responsibility as a prospective Buyer to arrange for any veterinary inspection or inquiry that You may require and You assume all consequences and risk from failure to do so. (d) You have not relied on any statement made by or on behalf of the Seller or by Us in relation to any Lot.

http://www.bafnz.com/2015-Code-of-Ethics-for-BAFNZ.pdf

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After all this, now you say you don't actually pay any attention to them? I give up.

Stuff the HKJC. They don't have a clue. I will say that Lasix probably played a big part in saving my life last year.

Keep rooting but I think you've got the wrong Lee. Do you have the updated penos for Royal Lytham?

Let's hope you get the quaddie Hesi. I'd be sitting on it too. I'd agree that whether it results in anything useful being implemented in the near term or not is a different question, though I suspect it will probably kill the Racing Amendment Act in its current form pretty quickly.

Thommo should be able to give you a heads up on the food and some recommendations, but not until after dinner.

I just got this which should help. BNZ Crusaders team to play the Emirates Lions: Penetrometer readings of the stadium will be released at 7 a.m. and updated at 4 p.m. on Saturday. Every metre across the track at both goal lines, half way, and both 25s 1. Joe Moody Trained on Lasix Wednesday, Ibuprofen Thursday. 2. Codie Taylor change of tactics, will also go forward with Havili on the faster northern touch line so he can keep up and be ready for the cross kick from the winger on the other side in the slow going where they were watering the roses. 3. Owen Franks change of boots 4. Scott Barrett usual headgear 5. Sam Whitelock (C) Note that the tight five ran 4kms on New Brighton Beach on Tuesday, with high altitude masks on. No time taken but they finished together. 6. Heiden Bedwell-Curtis 7. Matt Todd (VC) – Received leadership coaching mid week 8. Kieran Read changed sprigs 9. Bryn Hall change of tactics – will feed the blind side more 10. Richie Mo'unga – 10mm increase in kicking tee height. 11. George Bridge 12. Ryan Crotty (VC) Banged heads with 10 different players on Wednesday with no problems noted. 13. Jack Goodhue 14. Seta Tamanivalu 70m sprint time 1 second faster than last week on both Tuesday and Thursday gallops – course proper. 15. David Havili Change of tactics – if possible will go forward down the fast strip on the northern touchline with Codie. RESERVES 16. Sam Anderson-Heather Trained on pain killers all week. 17. Tim Perry hamstring bandage added 18. Michael Alaalatoa 2cm increase in biceps 19. Luke Romano new headgear 20. Pete Samu Headgear off 21. Mitchell Drummond 22. Mitchell Hunt change of tactics – not likely to be brought on unless there is an injury or a last minute drop goal is required. 23. Braydon Ennor

Outstanding effort. Did they both have blinkers on?

I presume they'll also report any beach work and whether they did any work with high altitude training masks.

I'm sure we'll get penetrometer readings across every metre of AMI stadium on Saturday before we have a bet. And given both teams are last start winners that should make it pretty straight forward. I'm hoping there will also be a declaration shortly of what headgear each of the players will be wearing, and what drugs they had during training in the last week.

You've seen ONE horse sweating after Lasix administration and generalised that to the whole population? And, you don't even know the sweating was caused by the Lasix. Next you'll be saying you've seen one horse win with blinkers first time and draw some remarkable conclusion that you can also apply that to the whole population.

Sad day at the office really but why don't they consider racing at a more suitable time of year for a track with no irrigation?

Given that thee is no legislation in effect on product fees, does that mean that the NZRB have finally taken up BFs long ago offer to pay them and struck a deal anyway?

too right! and we need someone like him to head up the NZRB and NZTR as well.

What comparative times? Training gallops? You surely don't use training gallop times as part of your assessment do you? If they gallop faster because they are 15kgs lighter as a result of Lasix administration, that surely can't make any difference on raceday.

Quite correct Kopia. They are an advanced form of turf track, altogether different from synthetics. That said, they rely on superior drainage for the type of performance you see at the likes of Mooney Valley. I'm not sure that will be feasible at some existing major NZ venues like Awapuni or Ellerslie which are built in swampy holes. Good for moisture retention and summer racing when established in pre-irrigation days, but now pretty much hopeless a lot of the year. Ideally, they'd seek out new venues for Strathayr's if they are economically feasible but I'm not aware of any feasibility studies having been done in NZ for them or any other type of AWT. As I said, I have no idea where this idea of synthetics has suddenly emerged from. Hopefully, we will all be enlightened shortly. If it had been up to me we would have been building a Strathayr every year or two for the last 15 years but NZTR in their wisdom chose to waste all their money on stakes and spend nothing on track infrastructure.

I appreciate your confidence Hesi but I am no expert on synthetic tracks. I know a bit about Strathayr's, not much about the other synthetics except that most of those laid in the US have been torn up. Some pretty quickly. Go ahead organisations like Keeneland are willing to try things that seem innovative and sound but also willing to revert if they don't work, so are a good example. They did the same thing with takeouts last year, proved themselves wrong, and corrected promptly. http://www.drf.com/news/keeneland-rolls-back-some-takeout-increases-spring-meet I don't understand why we are suddenly talking about synthetics here. I think they are a disaster waiting to happen but hopefully we'll get more info soon on what the plan is and the rationale.

How do you know what they ride like Huey? Tell us more.

Step one at the NZRB/ TAB level is as below. A little goes a long way. Keeneland Racecourse in Lexington, Ky., will restore lower takeout rates for many of its wagers during the track’s upcoming spring meet, three months after drawing the ire of the horseplaying community for raising the takeout rates on nearly all of its bets for last October’s fall meet, the track announced on Wednesday. The decision to roll back the takeout increases on win, place, show, and exacta wagers is a striking reversal for Keeneland, which had defended the higher takeout rates last year as a means to bolster its purses, even as horseplayers took to social media to castigate the track and urge players to boycott the fall meet. Total wagering at Keeneland’s fall meet fell 8.7 percent compared with fall wagering in 2016. “Keeneland’s goals are mission-oriented, and we continually review, measure, and listen to our customers across all business lines to ensure our operations promote the health and vibrancy of the horse industry,” Bob Elliston, Keeneland’s vice president of racing and sales, said in a release. Takeout rates on win, place, and show wagers will be reduced from 17.5 percent to 16 percent, the rate that preceded the increase. Takeout on exactas will be reduced from 22 percent to 19.5 percent, half a percentage point higher than the rate prior to the increase. All other takeouts on exotic wagers, such as the trifecta, superfecta, pick three, and pick four, will remain 22 percent, while the takeout on the pick five will remain at 15 percent. The takeout on the pick five was lowered last year with the takeout increases. As when Keeneland raised its takeout rates, bettors took to social media immediately after the announcement Wednesday. They voiced their approval of the lower rates, with some claiming victory due to last year’s boycott. Keeneland’s reputation as a fan-friendly venue was significantly tarnished by the decision, with players complaining that the racetrack had betrayed one of its core constituencies. In an interview, Elliston said that Keeneland talked with horseplayers following last year’s fall meet and decided that it would designate the win, place, show and exacta pools for rollbacks because the takeout rates for those pools were higher than competitors’ rates in the same pools. Elliston also said that those bets generally produce the highest rates of churn, or won money that is bet back into the pools. “If you look specifically at win-place-show pools and the exacta pool, that is a total of 57 percent of our wagering,” Elliston said. “We were out of step there, and we needed to do something about that.” Keeneland officials had defended the takeout hike as a means to increase revenue so that it could continue to raise purses at its two annual meets, as it has every year since 2012. Despite the drop in handle last fall, purses were up 3.3 percent. Revenue from Keeneland’s auction business went into a free fall in 2008 after the collapse of the stock market and the subsequent tightening of credit markets, dropping from a high of $815.3 million in 2007 to a low of $381.6 million in 2010. Total sales in 2017 were $538.7 million, up 2.8 percent compared with total sales in 2016. Elliston said that Keeneland will notify simulcast outlets about the new takeout rates in the coming weeks, and that the host fee rates paid by the outlets will decline at the same rate as the takeout reductions. When Keeneland raised its takeout rates, it split the extra revenue from the increases with host sites. Most host sites that award rebates to their biggest customers then increased the size of the awards so that rebated players did not play against the full increase in the takeout rates. TAB level is takeouts. A little goes a long way based on the evidence.

Yep, something like that would make sense.

They have an almost unlimited potential marketing budget actually. Just they've chosen to waste it all on stakes expenditure instead of marketing, infrastructure or anything else constructive. Sad and hopeless really.