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I don't see how you wouldn't have been all over Chavuma. Nice turn of pace to place last time. The form horse surely?

a) Greek Islands.

lol...

Not sure but the critical criterion is that they have already won the race. That seems to be common to all his tips.

That's why I think you should have included him in your best punters list barryb. He's a mile ahead of the rest of us in picking those and he even has a rationale for his tips. This time black type form is the criterion evidently.

I've read it and wept. It was hard work though. Don't you wish they'd write this stuff in English? The Committee felt the breach was sufficiently serious to ensure that the penalty needed to ensure Mr Fannin is held to account and we denounce his conduct. Wtf does that mean?

Probably should have included Thommo in your best punters list barryb. Now he's back, I'll see if I can up with one with blinkers on, an inside draw, and a claim tomorrow.

but you did!

Completely agree with that, although I would never bet on multis anyway. However, while I agree that retrospective testing is not very useful except as a starting point, I think prospective testing is just as good as actually betting provided it models real betting exactly.

Agree but hard to focus on mostly crap product though, aside from some sports.

Imagine if we could do even 1% of that here. Whole new ball game.

Definitely Oz$ I think. Not a 10+/1 shot but I like Hunting Horn, #4, in the 10th at Belmont today. Just backed at 7/2 (with 8% rebate). I make it about a 5/2 chance. Just had a look at the NZTAB and I still can't work out what they are doing with US racing. Early races listed as abandoned and no odds for any of the later races nearly half way through the meet. Bookies probably still at Sunday brunch I guess.

Not much warning Ripsomore R1 Awapuni.

Yes, fair point, and it's threads like this that hopefully arrive at more accurate information rather than the myths that are being bandied about. Likewise, if I had a horse that I thought this might be helpful for, I certainly would be having a conversation about that option with my vet. I think the bit that you highlighted above pretty much highlights what is known about its effectiveness as I understand it. "Veterinarians commonly use ACS in athletic horses when corticosteroid use no longer shows beneficial effects, mainly in chronic OA cases. Lameness generally improves after the second administration, with resolution occurring after the third or fourth. The effects of ACS treatment typically last three months to a year in joints that are not responsive to other intra-articular therapies. A considerable amount of data suggests that ACS use has beneficial effects, but the findings of experimental and clinical trials are inconsistent."

Not quite sure what you mean Newmarket. It's a legitimate treatment for the things that have been indicated, particularly the likes of tendon injury rehabilitation which wouldn't be a direct concern of trainers wrt horses at or near the racing stage. The only times I would think trainers might use it with racing horses are as indicated above, those troubled by some osteoarthritis, for example. I imagine most trainers and owners would then consider using it on veterinary advice as part of the treatment protocol. I wouldn't exactly describe it as "that good" even for those things but as an option to consider. I don't get what you mean by "every trainer would be trying it"? That sounds like if feeding horses barley is that good then "every trainer would be trying it".

The only spinning in actovegin is yours. It is extracted from calf blood by ultra-filtration. No spinning involved except as I said, yours.

Just discovered this thread. What a load of rubbish in some posts and a long established therapeutic treatment, especially for joints and tendons. I think it is also used for acute injuries and early treatment of osteoarthritis because it slows the development of arthritis in joints for example. As you point out in another post CS, one treated blood collection can provide about 50 treatments, so it's not horrendously expensive either. Even if a horse is being treated with other NSAIDs for arthritis, having ACS available means that treatment can replace those right up to raceday and after the required withdrawal time for those other anti-inflammatories. That's why it would be used during racing. For the idiots who can't read, it is about as far from blood doping as taking an aspirin for a headache. There are no RBCs re-injected and the injections are into the affected joint or tendon (or other tissue), not the blood. It is true there may be additives, but these are not drugs as someone suggested, and have zero steroidal type effects. Never heard of it being used as a preventative unless you mean preventative in the sense of preventing or slowing the development of osteoarthritis, for example. Load of crap and mountain out of molehill stuff.

Well if they wait until next year I doubt they'll be able to afford to put out a news release.

So .......what was it? Where is it?

I got a letter from Jacinda today (I assume she gets free postage or doesn't use email). She didn't say anything about that though barryb. Thommo wasn't actually mentioned. It seemed to be about how much thought was required if you want to turn on a heater, how many additional police we can expect and whether reduced GP costs are just 'nice to haves' or not.

Wondering if I should wait up till midnight for this?

True, but pretty common up there at all levels. 40 years ago now but I remember Vincent bringing Alleged back to win the Arc in the autumn after going shin sore in the spring. One lead up run over 1 1/4m at Longchamp where he smashed the course record. Mind you there were quite a few "derbys" run on those all weather gallops at Ballydoyle back then. Probably still are.

Led all the way and bolted in.

Like Just Ishi in the next.