Brodie

Galah, I refrained from posting about that race as after all it is an Amateur race. Personally think it is great to have amateur races, but from many experiences I think there should be no betting on them at all. The drivers get no financial compensate for their driving and yet they very often get hammered by the Stipes!! HRNZ should pull the plug on the wagering which would be a shame cos it does give certain horses an opportunity to race other horses that are not champions. Yes to run a half in 72seconds was pretty pitiful, and most of the drivers should be query their efforts in that race.

Depends who you are Newmarket. They have more control of punters on their App!

Chief, i appreciate that, but where do you see stake money going if Entain is not putting in all this extra that they currently are? Is the TAB going to be making enough off Sports and Racing to ensure that stake money is not heavily reduced? If stake money does get reduced, then there will be even less owners and horses racing, as it will become just too hard for owners and trainers to survive. It seems like a false economy at the moment and the fact that the White Knight has come along for 5 years does not change the situation that we had prior! At the end of the day what has changed apart from bigger stakes temporarily

Surely though Entain will be involved with the TAB decisions? What TAB NZ need to advise us all as what their discussions with Entain have resolved in regards what is happening at the end of the Hollymoon Period of 5 years! At the end of the Cash Splash for the majority share of the NZ TAB for another 20 years, what is the further funding for racing, racing needs to know! That way many will need to look at opportunities away from racing, as stake money will be hammered. We are hearing next to nothing from all of them.

Doomed, I think that many of us are well aware of the plan, unfortunately.

The thing is that BOAY is a great public forum that allows anyone at all to express an opinion. I recognise that the ones that do post, do care about the future of harness racing in NZ. We make comments about what is right and what is not right as well as what should be done, all for the betterment of the harness industry so that it can continue to exist! What is very surprising and may be telling us something, is that there is no one that we know of from HRNZ, TAB/ Entain that comes on BOAY and defends their actions as to why they are doing this and that? Surely this would be a great outlet to get it out there about why they are doing things and why they have changed thing, how great they are going? I challenge them to come on and discuss things, however I doubt they will because they know that what we are saying is fact, and they agree with us, but are scared to rock the boat! Lets see if any will participate, would make for a good for discussion.

To be fair, the TAB along with the Clubs have both contributed to the fact that the numbers that now attend on course has dwindled so much without doubt! Firstly they have brought in massive betting restrictions on those that would significantly increase their turnover and bring other people with them. Punters that would be betting before going on course are now not bothering, which is going to continue to haunt the clubs and TAB. Secondly and very importantly, the totally pathetic $1k Anti Money Laundering limit is dramatically stopping wagering! The TAB are actually breaking the law by having the limit of $1k when the law actually states a limit of $10k or such! The reason they adopt such a low limit is so they can control the punters, but it is to their detriment financially and otherwise!

Entain are just riding it out till the promised money is all used up. You are correct that they are just blowing money that could well be used far better than they are. If we are wrong and Entain intends to continue to splash the cash when the 5 years us up, then I challenge anyone from the TAB/ Entain to come on BOAY and state that we are wrong in our assumptions!! No one will because we are RIGHT!! HRNZ and Brad Steele need to have it out with Entain surely that is what he is paid for? Can he not see that this wastage can not continue and money should be put aside for a rainy day or spent more wisely!

They need to be working together Chief, to get the best result. It really does show that there is not much leadership going on and HRNZ are acting as if this dosh that Entain is throwing in with gay abandon is never ending? The industry needs to wake up as it is going to get a rude awakening.

Not too sure why HRNZ would program Addington and Cambridge meetings running against each other on Tuesday? Surely they are competing for the same dollar and personally believe they couldve run one of the meetings on a different day? There will be more wagering on Addington and Cambridge turnover will be poor! Is there anyone with business sense got any good reason why this is happening? Just seems crazy on a Tuesday! They seem on a route of trying to reduce turnover in several ways, Entain obviously has its reasons?

The stands are just so much better when they are standing rather than the BS starts where anything goes! As I say the starter needs to address all the drivers and advise them of what a standing starts actually is. It is solely the starters fault that this has occurred as they have been allowed to hsppen due to letting them get away with it for far too long. It should be fair for everyone if they program standing starts. Even far too often the unruly horses are that far back in the stands, that they have no show, this also needs to stop.

Race 1 standing start at Methven was a false start first time around snd shouldve been. Second time was far better when the starter had them pretty much standing rather than charging the tape.. He needs to command respect from the drivers and firmly extend to the drivers that he will not tolerate these drivers charging the start ! Long overdue Time to clean the standing starts up or get rid of them, as too often they are just unfair. Hopefully they can get it right in the future.

Unfortunately they do not care about the loyal punters that they have had for decades. The TAB/ Entain are trying to attract new punters with this bonus cash/ money back offers, also boost to win odds etc. Reality is that the amounts being offered as the maximum bet is too low to attract too many being amounts like $20. The turnover is being falsified by these offers. For the sake of the racing industry the NZ TAB needs to be financially healthy, but does anyone actually think it will be once Entain pull the plug on funding racing? I believe they are seriously not putting the money into the right places but then again it does not effect me too much .

Its ok, just a continuation of the NZ TAB, not treating all punters equally. You are only welcome if you are going to be a losing punter, otherwise we make it so it is not worth your while.

Interesting, not on mine. Lol

Reality is that the starters are not respected by the drivers and they actually control them. Carter and Mulcay previous starters before Peter Lamb knew how to have standing starts! They had the horses standing before they let them go, it is not Rocket Science. If the starters can not do what they are paid to for then they need replacing. It is not a difficult job, they need people who can perform and have respect from the drivers, rather than being mates to them and letting them get away with it! Brad Steele needs to come down on them if he indeed is here to lead.

Bet fixed and dont worry about the erotics, whoops I mean exotics?

Probably because it is not showing up on TAB web site!

Has the NZ TAB finished the Top4? Seems to have gone! Has this been announced or out of the blue?

All of the above you would be thinking. There are some things that must be improvements to what we had, but overall I believe that what this outfit Racing and Sports trusted for 20+ years puts out is so inferior to what we had. The fact that Trackside only shows the win dividends for both tote and fixed, clearly shows that Entain does not give a damn about Punters. Info is not always accurate and the horse comments are laughable.

LOL, another incompetent starter! Seriously what an absolute farce Newmarket! How anyone could possibly think that this is acceptable? Brad Steele should be advertising for people who actually are competent! Time he stepped up and came out and apologised for what is going on, but he wont because it does not affect the amount of money they are getting each week from the ones that pay him! That is just one of the many shockers that we are dished up and yet their is no consequences! They would rather hammer the Amateurs who receive no financial compensation . Farcical and not good enough. Why isnt this incompetence brought up on The Box Seat, rather than discussing races that were run last week?

Does not matter to them, be other races to offload on from Turkey!🇹🇷

The truth of the matter is that many of the drivers know that they can get away with it from the starter. It is just not fair on the Punters when these starts are just too poorly executed. The 2000metre so called stands are the worst as the drivers know that if they are slow away they are going to struggle! The starter I am sure is a nice bloke, however he is paid to do the job of starting both mobile and standing starts in a professional and fair way! Unfortunately far too often the standing starts are not fair and are not standing starts and are shocking! Either the Club bans the stands from the 2000m or the starter officiates the starts correctly. The starter has had many years of experience starting races and we get this crap dished up to the Punters!!! Yes he needs to be heavily fined for any poor starts, instead they want to fine or heavily suspend amateur drivers who use the whip outside the stupid whip rule? Pathetic really!

Time to ban the standing starts at Addington! Time and time again they are an absolute shocker. When Peter Lamb was replaced by Donnelly we all thought things had to get better, but no we were wrong. The last race just run, some of the horses were charging the tape and he lets them go and then calls a false start twice! Seriously HRNZ really do need to look at improving their professionalism or the industry is totally stuffed . Long overdue that they get someone who actually gives a damn starting races and also have a clean out of the officialdom as it is just not good enough!! Maybe I need Forbury to express himself as well. It is a real turn off for those concerned about the industry and we all know the industry is in trouble despite the Entain and Trackside media hype. Brad Steele needs to step up and sort it out bigtime.

interesting that all these very good drivers have come out of the Kentuckiana set up, they must be doing something right! Dont think Cran will mind, but you could not really include Cran in that group as a driver! Nice bloke and top trainer though.