Brodie

Its ok, just a continuation of the NZ TAB, not treating all punters equally. You are only welcome if you are going to be a losing punter, otherwise we make it so it is not worth your while.

Interesting, not on mine. Lol

Reality is that the starters are not respected by the drivers and they actually control them. Carter and Mulcay previous starters before Peter Lamb knew how to have standing starts! They had the horses standing before they let them go, it is not Rocket Science. If the starters can not do what they are paid to for then they need replacing. It is not a difficult job, they need people who can perform and have respect from the drivers, rather than being mates to them and letting them get away with it! Brad Steele needs to come down on them if he indeed is here to lead.

Bet fixed and dont worry about the erotics, whoops I mean exotics?

Probably because it is not showing up on TAB web site!

Has the NZ TAB finished the Top4? Seems to have gone! Has this been announced or out of the blue?

All of the above you would be thinking. There are some things that must be improvements to what we had, but overall I believe that what this outfit Racing and Sports trusted for 20+ years puts out is so inferior to what we had. The fact that Trackside only shows the win dividends for both tote and fixed, clearly shows that Entain does not give a damn about Punters. Info is not always accurate and the horse comments are laughable.

LOL, another incompetent starter! Seriously what an absolute farce Newmarket! How anyone could possibly think that this is acceptable? Brad Steele should be advertising for people who actually are competent! Time he stepped up and came out and apologised for what is going on, but he wont because it does not affect the amount of money they are getting each week from the ones that pay him! That is just one of the many shockers that we are dished up and yet their is no consequences! They would rather hammer the Amateurs who receive no financial compensation . Farcical and not good enough. Why isnt this incompetence brought up on The Box Seat, rather than discussing races that were run last week?

Does not matter to them, be other races to offload on from Turkey!🇹🇷

The truth of the matter is that many of the drivers know that they can get away with it from the starter. It is just not fair on the Punters when these starts are just too poorly executed. The 2000metre so called stands are the worst as the drivers know that if they are slow away they are going to struggle! The starter I am sure is a nice bloke, however he is paid to do the job of starting both mobile and standing starts in a professional and fair way! Unfortunately far too often the standing starts are not fair and are not standing starts and are shocking! Either the Club bans the stands from the 2000m or the starter officiates the starts correctly. The starter has had many years of experience starting races and we get this crap dished up to the Punters!!! Yes he needs to be heavily fined for any poor starts, instead they want to fine or heavily suspend amateur drivers who use the whip outside the stupid whip rule? Pathetic really!

Time to ban the standing starts at Addington! Time and time again they are an absolute shocker. When Peter Lamb was replaced by Donnelly we all thought things had to get better, but no we were wrong. The last race just run, some of the horses were charging the tape and he lets them go and then calls a false start twice! Seriously HRNZ really do need to look at improving their professionalism or the industry is totally stuffed . Long overdue that they get someone who actually gives a damn starting races and also have a clean out of the officialdom as it is just not good enough!! Maybe I need Forbury to express himself as well. It is a real turn off for those concerned about the industry and we all know the industry is in trouble despite the Entain and Trackside media hype. Brad Steele needs to step up and sort it out bigtime.

interesting that all these very good drivers have come out of the Kentuckiana set up, they must be doing something right! Dont think Cran will mind, but you could not really include Cran in that group as a driver! Nice bloke and top trainer though.

Reality is they are putting in 900million into racing in Nz So Franklin being bought by Entain would be a far better option if they want harness to continue in Auckland. ATC now gave no one for the Franklin site and they are looking at getting nowhere near the 90m or so that the Chinese were paying so there is going to be a very big shortfall, and who is going to wear this? ATC will not be able to trade their way out and keep racing without soneone outting in s massive amount! Who is going to be doing this with what their racing currently offers? Do I think that harness racing is able to continue in Auckland with the amount they are bleeding, no it is impossible! .

Lol, unfortunately Forbury has a crack at many drivers that he thinks are nil! It seems to give him a lot if grief and I am just thinking about his welfare. If it is so bad then you are better not to indulge in punting surely?

Interesting, Carter’s UDR is over .3 and Forbury thinks he is a poor driver? We are lucky at the moment we have several very good Junior drivers going around. Knocking drivers is not of any benefit to anyone.. Personally believe if you do not like the drives of horses you have backed, then probsbly time to stop investing? Plenty of opportunity to offload and make money without complaining

Seriously how generous are the TAB. The TAB giving you $2.50 from $1.60 on Beside Me tonight at Cambridge. That is fine but seriously maximum bet $20??? I suppose that is good for some punters but a max bet of $20 is pathetically low isnt it?

Lol I meant if racing right handed is the way to go then I question why every other metropolitan club in Australasia wants to race left handed?

So you enjoy the right handed way of racing? If so why is it the only all weather track in Australasia?

Where actually is the money from the Forbury track gone? Entain wouldve be far better off subsidising racing from Forbury than Alexandra Park surely? Harness racing at Alexandra Park racing the wrong way around and with small fields and few stables is never going to be financially viable.

Possibility that they will be racing on a wettish track as they are expecting heavy rain tomorrow. Hopefully it will stop before the meeting starts or the numbers attending will be down and will be miserable for participants if it is raining.

Good work Gamma. Put me down for slot 7. Bit of interest for us at Cambridge when the majority will be investing at Addington.

So they know ATC are desperate to sell! They would be far better to sell to Entain as they got the money, best of both worlds.

Agreed Gamma, all of them want to win rather than the monetary thing! So why on earth when harness is struggling would HRNZ or the TAB fell the need to chuck a not insignificant $400k into the “the race”? The ones running things nowadays on the whole are very average when it comes to making business decisions in the best interests of the harness industry! They are proving time after time that they really are not working for the best interests, despite the Trackside Presenters etc. trying to tell us they are! Pretty sure there is very little interest in “The Race” unless you have a connection with the starting horses!

They are treating the NZ public like mushrooms, by not divulging anything really. ATC was very excited a few months ago but why we are not sure. Someone will buy Franklin but then that is an asset gone and they will then need to have all the trials at Alexandra Park you would think? Wouldve been a far better financial decision for Entain to have paid off the ATC bank loans so that the interest did not keep compounding! Reality is that it appears that they just do not care about the viability of harness racing in NZ or otherwise are they just not overly great with running business?. Wouldve been far better than blowing it on bonuses, slot races!

I want the harness industry to survive and flourish! I appreciate that the TAB was in financial strife prior to Entain being granted majority share for 25 years by McAnulty and co. The TAB has been mismanaged for far too long by people who really have not had the business ability to run it! Personally think that the deal given to Entain is going to backfire on the TAB and dont think that they are a good fit for NZ. Yes they splash the 900m around into stakes and bonuses but that is not going to be beneficial in the future. That money could be better spent in infrastructure and making the product better. Yes owners getting stake money for racing in 6 horse fields might be good for now but all it is doing is filling in time until Entain pulls the plug on subsidising the stakes paid with the promised 900m. Does anyone actually believe that Entain entered its agreement for the benefit of racing in NZ?