The Centaur

Tony Pike horses scratched in Brisbane because of treatment on the day. Some other NZ trainers could well take note.

Agree. This constant playing the ageist card is pathetic. Racing has something for everyone regardless of age, gender, perceived status etc etc. There is a place for the high fashion adherents as well as the average joe blo's. There is no conflict only in the minds of small minded child like bores who never graduated from the school playground where the teacher is enemy number one.

THe prediction made by slam dunk in a posting on racecafe April 6 2014 has come true. snippet from RC "Remember a while back when Radio Pacific were having financial problems. Well the Racing Board invested into Radio Pacific and a few years later walked of with a profit of well over $20 million. Racings biggest ever payday. Now a prudent and enterprising CEO would conclude if that formula works why not try it again. Therefore investing in the Parnell Studio's would have been most likely the best options. Instead we have two or three individuals piggy backing on racing and probably walking of with millions profit when selling the business later on. Millions which should have stayed with racing. Just how much is Racing in terms of funding,expertise and goodwill contributing to NZ Live Ltd. Hard working industry employees,jockeys,trainers and long suffering owners, sponsors are being used as pawns to enrich a few."

Horseboy, I am intrigued by the definition of "members". Now I surf the internet a bit and here and there need to register to participate and do it with facebook user/password automatically. No way would I call myself a member of the particular organization although follower perhaps yes. Its very convenient with one click as opposed filling out a specific form then confirming the registration via email and actually participating in some way. .

My posting re BGP is in no way an accusation. Its a query. I am curious how a website or facebook entity mainly without any great original material can get 9000 members. The first thing that struck me is why a website into gambling should have so many high school members. Perfectly genuine question. Racecafe which has been going almost 20 years by my estimate would have about 15,000 members although many duplicates. If Internal affairs enforced the advertising law I doubt a judge would agree that simply having the .com suffix means its an overseas site. Quite frankly a weak argument unless everything is managed overseas. The law is quite straight forward... if in NZ you can't advertise overseas bookmakers. Mind you TAB renaming overseas races is a bit over the top.

A few years ago David Hayes was on record explaining the poor sequence of results he was on by blaming it on the other trainers using questionable drugs, vitamins and processes resulting in many of his horses just getting beaten. Now for someone like that to be saying it is significant. Like he not going to make conspirational accusations without some good knowledge. These guys have staff members switching stables etc. Now here in NZ I see some stables similarly having bad runs at times. Just a guess but would say the O'Sullivan family after the water trough saga would have come down hard and point blank banned any treatments before raceday on the stable. Their horses in the parade ring now just don't appear to have that finishing touch compared with a few other stables. Just my observation nothing else.

Actually Rogerson made a good point in the article. Makybe Diva didn't start racing until a 4 yo. Maybe the others they have raced too early.

I presume thats a soda. I've taken something stronger straight. I think Old Countess will run 4th to make a decent first 4. 8yr old jumper I know but ran ok at the trials. I remember being at Hastings 1974 and the Brosnan trained Our Countess won the main race paying over $200 for a win and Brosnan family over the years have a habit getting longshots.

Second link should be https://www.punters.com.au/news/lloyd-williams-sells-five-horses-to-nz_166913/

It was actually down to start at Sandown last year https://www.racing.com/news/2017-07-20/next-makybe-diva-to-debut Part of purchase by Rogerson https://www.racing.com/news/2017-07-20/next-makybe-diva-to-debut Looked quite impressive at Te Teko trials

You are not entirely right. If you look at the bottom of the page Invision have licensed copyright to bitofayarn just as they have to racecafe. AS well copyright is in the internal data like membership lists etc. However there is nothing stopping one using the same username or public information. Its a bit of a waste duplicating anything on the web but the circumstances most will agree made it untenable.

Barry With all due respects you've got the "old fashioned approach" That is that any criticism is knocking. Its not... with criticism comes improvement. You haven't negated any of the points I've made. If 8500 people can be targeted at once then thats good. But if that 8500 consists mainly of high school students then trying to get them to gamble is wasted. At that age they should be targeted as participants and not as punters or even racegoers.

Never heard of them and I note the boysgetpaid website started this year so query the 2011 date. I have never been into facebook but am curious how 8500 members can suddenly appear. I note many of the "members" are from High Schools so there appears to have been some sort of transfer from an educational database. Have no idea how the follower system works with facebook but am eager to learn. Would seem in order to view the page you become a follower hence a member. Even so to what appears a gambling site with so many high school students is a worry. Given the qualifications and the fact that advertising Ladbrokes is illegal the request for donations would have to be looked upon a bit sceptically but I am open to correction.

Is that true Wysisit? Are you saying the legislation refers to drinking at the premises or was the prize only to be devoured on the premises ?.

You are barking up the wrong tree. Just accept what Bell Gully have said. Think of it this way. The prize is an entitlement or voucher which requires the purchase of alcohol from only one premise. The prize can't be used at Countdown for groceries for example. Let Bell Gully do their job. Stick to your daytime job.

Fairly straight forward. Its the advertising that is illegal. If its done outside the bar its illegal and makes no difference if there is an entry fee or not. The Gambling Act is concerned about the staking aspect where the Liquor Act is more concerned about the promotion of liquor which under a free competition is more harmful say to minors.

Perhaps YOU should apply to Bell Gully for a job if you know better than them. Bell Gully Opinion The Sale and Supply of Alcohol Act 2012 now means that there are additional restrictions that must be taken into account when advertising a competition where the prize involves alcohol, regardless of the entry requirements. If a business runs a competition where alcohol forms part of the prize, the promotion may not be advertised anywhere people could see or hear it outside of licensed premises. This will include promotions where people subscribe to a newsletter to go into the draw to win a prize, where the competition is a game of skill, and any ‘lucky dip’ competitions. As well as restricting the ability to advertise competitions that include alcohol as a prize, the Sale and Supply of Alcohol Act 2012 prohibits the advertising of promotions where the purchase of alcohol is required in order to enter, or where a certain amount of alcohol is required to be eligible for a reward. ‘Seen or heard’ from outside licensed premises will include advertising that is conducted via email, print, broadcast, or social media, including Facebook.

ILLEGAL COMPETITIONS Not only does RC arrogantly ignore the Harmful Digital Act but is running illegal competitions. The Sale of Liquor Act specifies that prize competitions cannot have alcohol products as the prize. Ignorant publicans like Leo Molloy running them should not be in the hospitality business. Where for instance betting vouchers are given as prizes for a horse picking comp that can be classed as encouraging gambling and certain restrictions apply like getting approval from Racing Board. However anyone pointing this out to RC will be retaliated against like having posts done as a favour deleted.

Fascinating case stretching 40 years in California. Seems the media quick to pin point that he was an ex cop but little attention to fact he was married to lawyer all that time. Got fired from police for shop lifting hammer and dog repellent at the height of the murders and rapes. Article appeared in newspaper at the time about the firing. Now attorneys, cops, FBI etc etc patting themselves on the back how smart they are 40 years later. Incredible.

Congratulations to all involved in launching this forum. I hope to be a regular contributor to the forums and I know without the influence of a certain trouble making individual and his puppets this site will be successful.