The Centaur

Yes I'll sit back and watch. But it will be forever. I'll put my money on there being no criminal charges or anything resembling them. In other words a big fat ZERO.

The racing authorities conducting a kangaroo court devoid of any standard judicial process. No consideration to owners, workers, etc. A giant publicity stunt with media on hand to witness a police raid then scratching his horses penalizing owners knowing that would disseminate the stable. All before any proper hearing. Lawyers, and must I say accountants have normally indemnity insurance meaning if they have seriously offended their business is protected. Already Weir's losses must be in the millions and by the sounds of his developments heavily bankrolled he could possibly be bankrupted. And still that won't be enough just because of three jiggers and peoples fantasy of them being used in cruel manner.

You are so far off beam its not funny. TABCORP should never have got involved. Just having a gun you can't accuse the person of intent to murder. Therefore just having a jigger (we know nothing about its origin) doesn't mean its going to be used in a cruel way. TABCORP have directly accused Weir of cruelty. Where are the actual instances. If there were actual cruelty instances we would have heard of them by now. TABCORP should just have said they are dissappointed about scratchings as that affects their business. Weir was obviously advised not to answer questions as there is a police investigation which is standard procedure and an accepted right. Stewards should have realised that and not pressed the non cooperation charge. Look the guy has lost millions just by having three jiggers. He has not been given a fair hearing. How can he when police are still investigating. The racing authorities have not given any consideration to owners, workers and the flow on effects. Its the the Racing authorities by going about the whole episode in a guns blazing maniacal manner that has caused the greatest harm to racing. Workers won't want to get into the industry, as well as owners whilst banks will refrain from lending if the risks are there. For f***'s sake three bl**dy jiggers. Its cost him millions. And thats not enough for some. Ridiculous.

Yes its not the form but the publicity. Many potential racegoers will not be aware that Tauherenikau is racing Wednesday and too late to make plans the day before. You have to laugh. Aaron Bidlake was saying the website was OK but now that TAB have banned his beloved Tauherenikau he has changed his tune.

Tavistock has had 26 current 3yo or 2yo's that have raced in NZ. Accepted some have been exported but even so from 26 you would expect some progressives. Well of those 26 in NZ NONE n.b. none have earned more than $12,000 and none have won more than one race. Thats not slow maturing thats like motionless. Most on appearance are plain and often look weak. Pity the buyers who pay the six figures.

Quite outrageous. How on earth can Racing Victoria punish an organisation i.e. many jobs lost, owners out of pocket all sorts of flow on effects without proper justice i.e. transparent investigation and due process. All because three jiggers found yet no jockeys or trackriders found using them. Yes this is going to turn very ugly.

Apparently the limited format for Wingatui has been caused by commingling issues. Seems rather strange but at least more horses are visible so less scrolling. That said I've got a question. I've just found the most useful part of the website. That is the take a break facility for 30 days. The question is if I can't login will I be able to view the streaming video? Hope someone knows before I try it.

Well I'm not a trainer from Victoria e.g. Dabernig just waiting to get hold of the horses calling for Weir to be hung without a trial and the others just waiting like gouls. https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-01/news-dabernig-comments-on-weir-investigation (Or a past trainer for that matter.) Must be something in the water that affects both past and present Victoria trainers.

three charges are for the same thing. i.e. having a jigger. No mention of the intent for having the jiggers therefore most probably no evidence of having used them. THe other charges supposedly for not fully cooperating in the inquiry. Most probably as a result of legal advice. Storm in a teacup.

I would be seriously worried if no firearm found. In such a large congregation of horses there are bound to be times a horse has to be quickly humanely destroyed. Why publicize cocaine found. Who owned the cocaine? No this is a beat up. Its all very well sitting on the fence but after a few years of wisdom one can see the olive patch.

C'mon RM they have been investigating this thing whatever for months but can't land any charges. Seems its all a plan b scenario to justify the investigation. Tell me in plain language what Weir has done wrong. Having 3 jiggers on the place could have come from anywhere. I presume you've seen D. Weirs fingerprints on the device.

Actually I find the list laudatory of Darren Weir. To employ so many staff from all walks of life, have so many starters, so many winners and only have a few negatives over almost 20 years training is exemplary. In fact some of the items on the list are quite petty and some just clerical errors. Making a hoo ha over a gun found and some cocaine obviously to smear Weir Racing then to not make any charges after destroying the business with a raid is just not justice. At the moment all I can see is a witch hunt.

The only thing I find negative about Thomas is he starts too many threads. Perhaps more engagement in existing threads is something he should be encouraged into. Also I'd like Hesi encouraged to stay with the ship.

Having a firearm in a large stable would not be unusual for obvious reasons. Seems to be a publicity hit job.

Joe, The same argument I put forward to aguaman also applies. I am in the same circumstance where the alert did no come up. i.e wanted 10 each way instaed got 10/100. my alert should have been at $30.. Lets get some coordinated action against the TAB.

Aquaman, I feel for you. I had the same thing happen twice about 10 years ago. Both times for $3,000. The first one I complained like hell to the TAB as there was no cancelling mechanism and no warning. There may have been a problem with sunlight on the screen but anyway the TAB and myself went 50/50 so they refunded half. The second one I didn't bother as it took quite some effort the first time. However as a result they made changes to the web site by making the amount to spend big font and in red. As well I could make a setting i.e. big warning if amount to spend over $100. If you had those controls and settings in place on the old site then I think you have a good case for claiming the whole lot. The reason being they have not said on the new web site the controls don't apply and reading the OpenBet policy they are clear on making sure controls exist. Therefore any fair and reasonable person would have expected the controls to remain particularly given the cost of getting the OpenBet format.

The TAB has removed the setting and control features it had in the case of a punter making a mistake. Something that was developed after numerous punters lost thousands by making simple errors. Example not specifying % for trifecta or first 4 combinations. How then does the removal of all the self imposed controls square with OpenBet policy.? Security and Support OpenBet, as one of the gaming industry's leading software suppliers, strictly adheres to regulatory compliance and relevant licensing. It also strongly supports socially responsible gaming, with software that boasts built-in safeguards for customers. This stance underpins the company's clean and trustworthy reputation. Typical corporate rubbish.

This website is brilliant. Look at the dividend for Enzo's Lad.

Why do people expect everything to be on one web site? There are plenty web site each with some sort of speciality. For barrier bias there are several but try racingzone.com example https://www.racingzone.com.au/form-guide/new-plymouth-raceway/2019-01-17/ scroll down to the bottom

Certainly can't find a large win pool for NZ racing. So far at Taranaki on a lovely day win pool yet to reach $20,000 I distinctly remember going to Taranaki races in the sixties and never would win pool be less than $40,000 Not much better at Greyhounds only just reached $5000 in previous race.

Something that hasn't been noted because back in November we did not know what systen NZTAB was going to hit us with. The OpenBet system with at least three bookmakers including Ladbrokes and Sportsbet crashed heavily in Australia before the Melbourne cup for about 1/2 hour causing chaos. The opposing bookmakers had a windfall signing up new customers at a frantic rate in that space of time. I have a theory that OpenBet were developing a new system for New Zealand but because of problems and delays have reverted to their old system hence the lack of NZ customization.

I see there are OPEN SOURCE sportsbook websites available from $1000 which must mean fatcat outfits like Tabcorp, NZTAB, BetEasy, Paddy Power etc will be too top heavy to ward off lightweight startups. Punters themselves may endup owning the websites regardless of regulation.

Are you crazy.??? Its $50 million too much. A workable tote betting site can be put up for $50K That would exclude say Sports Betting and only one of tote betting or fixed odds. Also as historical horse data available on other sites no need for duplication. Shopping around perhaps the $50K could be reduced as well. However conditional on the backend infrastructure.

But I've got no experience spending $50M. Logic would say instead of cramming everything into one site it would have been wiser splitting the website into say 4 e.g. tote, Bookie ,form. and financial. With form especially NZ form combine with NZTR, HRNZ etc and other interested parties giving punters an efficient, pleasurable experience. That way NZ racing would always have an edge plus much easier and cheaper to develop.

I've been giving the site a bit of time before making conclusions although from day one I've said the $50M spend was crazy. Now looking at the site source code bearing in mind much of it is hidden quite frankly it doesn't make sense. For a single character of information like a placing there is a 100 characters of junk. No wonder it becomes slow when the same is multiplied hundreds of times. What happened to the idea of classes. Whatever they are programming in its useless. Thats from 50 years of programming experience.