The Centaur

I don't know what you are complaining about. This is a sports betting web why should they bother about tote dividends for horse racing although some of the fields from Aquaduct look a bit thin. Maybe they'll rethink.

Take some solace. Racing clubs around the world will come to realize that given current technology they don't need the TAB, Paddy Power, William Hill and the army of other parasites. Combining together to produce the infrastructure needed. The middle man i.e. the TAB can be eliminated leaving just the clubs that put on the show and the punter. Its happened everywhere the middleman is getting eliminated. Wagering is no different.

Amazing what a bit of persuasion some may call it a threat can do. Check out the two headlines above and below.

Don't want to put the mocker on him. I've already done Rolf Harris and Cliff Richard.

Bugger. Missed her don't know how. Wished they would take down their adds. Most embarrassing?

Might not be a raceday but I just can't believe the promoters have snared Lee Anne Rimes for Pukekohe Mar 4. Anyone have anything further on this.

The ruling specifically on a number of occasions stated that Weir was not being accused of using electric shock equipment. So what do one of the many fake news providors do? https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/381885/trainer-s-four-year-ban-for-using-electric-shocks-on-horses

Mostly speculation. No proof. Having an unsafe car can be cruel to other motorists potentially causing death. The culprit isn't going to have his unique much acclaimed multi million dollar business destroyed and be deprived of a livelihood.

The legal pros put a lot of weight into the word "intent". There has not been any proof Weir has ever used a jigger. Just by having them in his bedroom could mean he is making triply sure no one can use them. How they came to be there is anybody's guess. Some employee may have brought them onto the property and Weir has confiscated them. Having a gun doesn't mean the intent is to kill someone although it could be. Same with the jiggers its impossible to speculate what the intent was of having them put away in the master bedroom. I hardly think he would have ordered them from ebay.

Last time I heard the jiggers were discovered in a safe. So I presume a safe in the master bedroom. AS a matter of interest what source has got the MASTER bedroom bit?

Sorry to have dismembered your argument. Better luck next time. !!

And the stewards have said there are NO videos or photographs

Simple conclusion Darren Weir was railroaded Here is some facts the Aussie press don't mention. When the police "raided" they did it in a flare of publicity only trouble it was all rubbish. The famous video's and photo's of jiggers being used or other dodgy goings on was just a bluff or ruse typically employed by police to get the suspect talking. The stewards have admitted there are no photos or videos but don't expect the Aussie press talking about that. So instead of talking the baffled Darren Weir suddenly clams up. Why? Obviously he believed someone in his organization was really misbehaving so why say anything at that stage. Immediately he is slapped with a refusing to talk charge. Everything points to someone in the Police using the excuse of monitoring phone calls as a way to hopefully get racing tips. When asked to wrap up the investigation they latch on the gun and cocaine found as a means to justify all the spying going on. What other explanation can there be. Strange how the stewards aren't interested in the gun or cocaine finds. The stewards and racing authorities are also the victims. They are trying their hardest to show they are trying to keep racing clean. Trouble is they are misguided.

Darren Weir must have been involved with thousands of horses by now. I have not seen one instance on the internet of any occasion he has been cruel. He daughters, female staff by their nature would be aghast at any cruelty. I have no idea why they were in the stable just as I have no idea why his fathers old pea shooter was in the stable and at this stage neither do you. I have over the years seen so many injustices with a mob like mentality I feel I can smell one fairly well. This happens to be one. Particularly in regards Jarrod Maclean.

Yes I'll sit back and watch. But it will be forever. I'll put my money on there being no criminal charges or anything resembling them. In other words a big fat ZERO.

The racing authorities conducting a kangaroo court devoid of any standard judicial process. No consideration to owners, workers, etc. A giant publicity stunt with media on hand to witness a police raid then scratching his horses penalizing owners knowing that would disseminate the stable. All before any proper hearing. Lawyers, and must I say accountants have normally indemnity insurance meaning if they have seriously offended their business is protected. Already Weir's losses must be in the millions and by the sounds of his developments heavily bankrolled he could possibly be bankrupted. And still that won't be enough just because of three jiggers and peoples fantasy of them being used in cruel manner.

You are so far off beam its not funny. TABCORP should never have got involved. Just having a gun you can't accuse the person of intent to murder. Therefore just having a jigger (we know nothing about its origin) doesn't mean its going to be used in a cruel way. TABCORP have directly accused Weir of cruelty. Where are the actual instances. If there were actual cruelty instances we would have heard of them by now. TABCORP should just have said they are dissappointed about scratchings as that affects their business. Weir was obviously advised not to answer questions as there is a police investigation which is standard procedure and an accepted right. Stewards should have realised that and not pressed the non cooperation charge. Look the guy has lost millions just by having three jiggers. He has not been given a fair hearing. How can he when police are still investigating. The racing authorities have not given any consideration to owners, workers and the flow on effects. Its the the Racing authorities by going about the whole episode in a guns blazing maniacal manner that has caused the greatest harm to racing. Workers won't want to get into the industry, as well as owners whilst banks will refrain from lending if the risks are there. For f***'s sake three bl**dy jiggers. Its cost him millions. And thats not enough for some. Ridiculous.

Yes its not the form but the publicity. Many potential racegoers will not be aware that Tauherenikau is racing Wednesday and too late to make plans the day before. You have to laugh. Aaron Bidlake was saying the website was OK but now that TAB have banned his beloved Tauherenikau he has changed his tune.

Tavistock has had 26 current 3yo or 2yo's that have raced in NZ. Accepted some have been exported but even so from 26 you would expect some progressives. Well of those 26 in NZ NONE n.b. none have earned more than $12,000 and none have won more than one race. Thats not slow maturing thats like motionless. Most on appearance are plain and often look weak. Pity the buyers who pay the six figures.

Quite outrageous. How on earth can Racing Victoria punish an organisation i.e. many jobs lost, owners out of pocket all sorts of flow on effects without proper justice i.e. transparent investigation and due process. All because three jiggers found yet no jockeys or trackriders found using them. Yes this is going to turn very ugly.

Apparently the limited format for Wingatui has been caused by commingling issues. Seems rather strange but at least more horses are visible so less scrolling. That said I've got a question. I've just found the most useful part of the website. That is the take a break facility for 30 days. The question is if I can't login will I be able to view the streaming video? Hope someone knows before I try it.

Well I'm not a trainer from Victoria e.g. Dabernig just waiting to get hold of the horses calling for Weir to be hung without a trial and the others just waiting like gouls. https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-01/news-dabernig-comments-on-weir-investigation (Or a past trainer for that matter.) Must be something in the water that affects both past and present Victoria trainers.

three charges are for the same thing. i.e. having a jigger. No mention of the intent for having the jiggers therefore most probably no evidence of having used them. THe other charges supposedly for not fully cooperating in the inquiry. Most probably as a result of legal advice. Storm in a teacup.

I would be seriously worried if no firearm found. In such a large congregation of horses there are bound to be times a horse has to be quickly humanely destroyed. Why publicize cocaine found. Who owned the cocaine? No this is a beat up. Its all very well sitting on the fence but after a few years of wisdom one can see the olive patch.

C'mon RM they have been investigating this thing whatever for months but can't land any charges. Seems its all a plan b scenario to justify the investigation. Tell me in plain language what Weir has done wrong. Having 3 jiggers on the place could have come from anywhere. I presume you've seen D. Weirs fingerprints on the device.